2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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CFordUNC said:
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I'm not understanding the "Hmm" part there, though to be honest I'm not understanding really the whole thing. Morris forgot to write down a few steps, and it's not clear whether he's talking about the House race, the presidential race, both, or what.

There is good reason to believe that this year might be atypical for NE-02. It's not every day that a presidential candidate makes an all-out push to disenfranchise a city. One might expect the city to react unfavorably, but maybe that's just me.
 
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In re Robinson with 36% of Vote: This 36% are not people who think CNN is lying. This 36% are people who (a) think Robinson did post those things, (b) agree with what Robinson posted, and (c) wish there were more politicians like Robinson who tell it like they think.
 
05C40 said:
This 36% are people who (a) think Robinson did post those things, (b) agree with what Robinson posted, and (c) wish there were more politicians like Robinson who tell it like they think.
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This is really a toxic comment. It's needlessly insulting and antagonistic and also based on nothing. Yeah, there are probably some folks like that but doubtful that it's 36%.

It can't be said enough: every election in a two-party race is, to some degree, a lesser of two evils. And if you think the Dems are really evil (let's say, because of abortion), you're going to pull GOP every time.

I mean, suppose the Dems ran a ticket of Eric Adams and Bob Menendez, with a campaign slogan of "looking forward to presidential immunity!" I'd still vote for them over Trump, and so would you. Because, as corrupt as they are, they will still appoint non-crazy judges. They will still put a liberal at EPA, someone actually interested in protecting the environment. They probably won't crack down on crypto (I've long been suspicious of Adams' fondness for bitcoin; it was a yellow flag indicating possible criminal impulses), but they would likely help unions, pass abortion legislation, etc.
 
05C40 said:
In re Robinson with 36% of Vote: This 36% are not people who think CNN is lying. This 36% are people who (a) think Robinson did post those things, (b) agree with what Robinson posted, and (c) wish there were more politicians like Robinson who tell it like they think.
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Nah, I think it is likely people who (a)probably believe he posted that stuff but (b) just don't care. The End
 
superrific said:
This is really a toxic comment. It's needlessly insulting and antagonistic and also based on nothing. Yeah, there are probably some folks like that but doubtful that it's 36%.

It can't be said enough: every election in a two-party race is, to some degree, a lesser of two evils. And if you think the Dems are really evil (let's say, because of abortion), you're going to pull GOP every time.

I mean, suppose the Dems ran a ticket of Eric Adams and Bob Menendez, with a campaign slogan of "looking forward to presidential immunity!" I'd still vote for them over Trump, and so would you. Because, as corrupt as they are, they will still appoint non-crazy judges. They will still put a liberal at EPA, someone actually interested in protecting the environment. They probably won't crack down on crypto (I've long been suspicious of Adams' fondness for bitcoin; it was a yellow flag indicating possible criminal impulses), but they would likely help unions, pass abortion legislation, etc.
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You are probably right. But is this Menendez and Adams running against Trump or Mitt Romney. Against Trump absolutely. I’d take pause if they ran against Romney. Or maybe I’d not vote in Pres race.
ETA Romney and pre-Obama Pubs, I’d consider. Romney and today’s GQP MAGAs-Nope. But that pairing would never happen.
 
Kingpin said:
You are probably right. But is this Menendez and Adams running against Trump or Mitt Romney. Against Trump absolutely. I’d take pause if they ran against Romney. Or maybe I’d not vote in Pres race.
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Either one. A Romney presidency in 2016 wouldn't have been that different from Trump's first term. Less daily crazy, for sure. No attempt to undermine NATO. But Romney would have appointed the same judges (maybe he would have held off on the mega-crazies in Texas, but I'd bet 95% of his appointments would be similar). Romney would have put an industry lobbyist in charge of the SEC, like Bush, and the EPA, like Trump. The tax cuts would have been the same. With Romney in charge, they might have actually been able to repeal Obamacare (and yes, Romney would have participated despite his history in MA).

I think people forget that Trump's first term policies were pretty ordinary by the standards of today's GOP. That's because Trump doesn't give a fuck about policy, right? He outsourced judicial nominations to L. Leo, as would any Republican president (Bush did as well). He outsourced the EPA to fossil fuel industry. So on and so forth.

What Trump is talking about now, of course, is an order of magnitude more BSC. That's because he's more in charge. But I think part of his strategy is to sanitize his first term by making it look sane in comparison, while counting on people to react to his present musings as "Trump just talking shit, like Trump." We can't forget that his first term was an unmitigated disaster, while hewing pretty close to traditional GOP thinking. In related news, GOP thinking has been an unmitigated disaster for a long time.
 
aGDevil2k said:
The 36% is
- Folks that know what he said and dont care
- Folks that only know he's R and have no idea what he's said (recently or ever)
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My experience is that many republicans aren’t even aware of the allegations. It barely got a mention on Fox News and I’ve literally had to explain the talking points to more than one Trump supporter. od argue that many of that 36% have no idea what he’s accused of.
 
I think a lot of you would be shocked at how many of the rural evangelical crowd think the whole thing is actually made up. That's likely 10-15% of the 36 at least.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
I think a lot of you would be shocked at how many of the rural evangelical crowd think the whole thing is actually made up. That's likely 10-15% of the 36 at least.
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Conservatives have been working hard for the past fifty years, ever since public schools were integrated, to gradually create a separate reality for themselves. Resegregate schools by sending mostly upper and middle class white kids to charters and private schools via transferring public school funds to vouchers and charters, create a separate right-wing news media and websites that tell them only what they want to hear and allow them to live in an information bubble, "retro" TV networks that only show old TV series reruns, right-wing book publishers, "Christian" universities like Liberty, Regent, Grand Canyon, Hillsdale College, etc. to give their kids a religious-only education, and gradual takeovers of public ed in many red states to force religious instruction into their curriculum, and on and on. And so many conservatives only hear and see exactly what their leaders want them to.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Conservatives have been working hard for the past fifty years, ever since public schools were integrated, to gradually create a separate reality for themselves. Resegregate schools by sending mostly upper and middle class white kids to charters and private schools via transferring public school funds to vouchers and charters, create a separate right-wing news media and websites that tell them only what they want to hear and allow them to live in an information bubble, "retro" TV networks that only show old TV series reruns, right-wing book publishers, "Christian" universities like Liberty, Regent, Grand Canyon, Hillsdale College, etc. to give their kids a religious-only education, and gradual takeovers of public ed in many red states to force religious instruction into their curriculum, and on and on. And so many conservatives only hear and see exactly what their leaders want them to.
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Exactly. And the whole MAGA movement is about taking America back for the straight, white Christian nationalists so the whole country can be like that.
 
DantesHair said:
My experience is that many republicans aren’t even aware of the allegations. It barely got a mention on Fox News and I’ve literally had to explain the talking points to more than one Trump supporter. od argue that many of that 36% have no idea what he’s accused of.
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This is why I get frustrated when people say Dems just need to “message better” when it comes to winning over certain segments of voters.

40% of the voting public will never see/hear that message because they refuse to step out of the Fox News, right wing media bubble for the 5 minutes, to hear on alternate message. It’s willful ignorance and I don’t think any amount of changed messaging by Dems changes that.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
This is why I get frustrated when people say Dems just need to “message better” when it comes to winning over certain segments of voters.

40% of the voting public will never see/hear that message because they refuse to step out of the Fox News, right wing media bubble for the 5 minutes, to hear on alternate message. It’s willful ignorance and I don’t think any amount of changed messaging by Dems changes that.
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Almost everything on the Fox News website this morning is clearly deliberately designed to either anger or frighten Republicans. Food prices may skyrocket soon, an article on four liberal celebrities who who despise their conservative fans, Trump and conservatives getting the last laugh on a liberal Senate candidate, Iowa GOP State Attorney General tries to get American Academy of Pediatrics (AAAP) to warn that puberty blockers and hormone treatments for trans kids are cruel, abusive, and risky, lots of attacks and swipes at Kamala Harris, and so on. And as for real news, they do have a small story halfway down the page on the severe damage caused by Hurricane Helene. They're not even pretending to cover real news anymore - everything they do is deliberately aimed at stoking up the fears, disgust, and anger of their viewing base. And to be fair, I'm not really a fan of MSNBC or CNN either, but Fox News just takes the cake.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
This is why I get frustrated when people say Dems just need to “message better” when it comes to winning over certain segments of voters.

40% of the voting public will never see/hear that message because they refuse to step out of the Fox News, right wing media bubble for the 5 minutes, to hear on alternate message. It’s willful ignorance and I don’t think any amount of changed messaging by Dems changes that.
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Exactly. They are living in their own bubble world because of their racism and bigotry. They are so scared of losing the advantage they have of being a straight, white Christian. They are scared of anything different than them because it might mean they will lose that one advantage they have in life.
 
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