2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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StrangePackage said:
Agreed.

If Trump loses, his supporters will engage in violence to punish their perceived enemies for thwarting the will of the people.

If Trump wins, his supporters will engage in violence to punish their perceived enemies for attempting to thwart the will of the people.
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Liberal minded folks need to seriously consider gun ownership, if they don't have guns already.

Mind you, this is if you believe in protecting yourself against violence with violence (or the threat thereof) vs peaceful resistance. If we're talking a ttump presidency, firearm ownership is unlikely to matter as ttump will militarize many cities (whether further militarization of cops or actual military), and any resistance you offer will be futile. However, if ttump loses he WILL overtly promote vigilant/militia/supremacy terrorism against the liberal "vermin" who "stole your country from you". There will be hundreds, if not thousands, of incidents where known, or perceived, liberals will have violence perpetrated upon them and their homes.
 
nycfan said:
I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that the 2024 electoral map is going to look at lot like the 2016 electoral outcome ...
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I do too but i’m hoping it’s a combination of 3 things
1. failure of the mainstream media
2. Trump sucking all the oxygen out of the room with increasingly fascistic language and
3. my own fear of this fucker winning
 
For anyone who spends an inordinate amount of time on Twitter, it’s really easy to catch that sinking feeling of fatalism. I have caught myself doing and feeling the exact same way. But once I get off of Twitter, and I read much more levelheaded, rational commentary from political commentators whose opinions I value and whose sources I trust, I feel a ton better. It is completely understandable to feel unease, anxiety, trepidation, etc. about an election with such high stakes. But I would definitely urge folks who are feeling those things to at least unplug from Twitter for a little while and see how much of a significant difference it actually does make.

Trump can definitely win this thing. There’s no question about that. It’s going to be uncomfortably close. These next few weeks are not going to be enjoyable. But Trump is not going to win- and his campaign knows it, too. They are not acting like a campaign that believes they are winning. The flood of red wave pollsters are not acting like they believe that the Trump campaign is winning.

Virtually every single fundamental and intangible favors the Harris campaign. Almost every single one. If this were a sports matchup, and there was one team that had almost every single fundamental and intangible in its favor, and the other team was becoming more and more unhinged and untethered by the passing day, we would all have no problem whatsoever acknowledging and believing that the team with all of the intangibles and fundamentals in its favor, was a solid favor to win. Not a guarantee, mind you, because sometimes the ball bounces funny, but a solid favorite to win.

Harris is that favorite. Now let’s go run through the damn tape.
 
CFordUNC said:
For anyone who spends an inordinate amount of time on Twitter, it’s really easy to catch that sinking feeling of fatalism. I have caught myself doing and feeling the exact same way. But once I get off of Twitter, and I read much more levelheaded, rational commentary from political commentators whose opinions I value and whose sources I trust, I feel a ton better. It is completely understandable to feel unease, anxiety, trepidation, etc. about an election with such high stakes. But I would definitely urge folks who are feeling those things to at least unplug from Twitter for a little while and see how much of a significant difference it actually does make.

Trump can definitely win this thing. There’s no question about that. It’s going to be uncomfortably close. These next few weeks are not going to be enjoyable. But Trump is not going to win- and his campaign knows it, too. They are not acting like a campaign that believes they are winning. The flood of red wave pollsters are not acting like they believe that the Trump campaign is winning.

Virtually every single fundamental and intangible favors the Harris campaign. Almost every single one. If this were a sports matchup, and there was one team that had almost every single fundamental and intangible in its favor, and the other team was becoming more and more unhinged and untethered by the passing day, we would all have no problem whatsoever acknowledging and believing that the team with all of the intangibles and fundamentals in its favor, was a solid favor to win. Not a guarantee, mind you, because sometimes the ball bounces funny, but a solid favorite to win.

Harris is that favorite. Now let’s go run through the damn tape.
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Deleting Twitter solves a number of problems
 
theel4life said:
If we show up we will win.
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^This. A lot of what we're seeing on social media and in (conservative) polling is an attempt to get Democrats depressed and feeling hopeless so they simply will give up and not vote. If Democrats remain enthusiastic and vote as they should then I do think they'll win, and possibly by more than in 2020. If they don't vote in large numbers then yes, Trump will win. Trump is an idiot, but Republicans have shown that they know how to win elections in a variety of ways, and trying to depress Democratic turnout by any means possible is likely a priority for them this year.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yeah. I really really need to just do it. I keep telling myself I’m going to. I need to just actually do it!
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It’s like ripping a bandaid off. I’ve been so much happier since deleting Twitter and Instagram. I finally deleted my FB this year too. Rarely used it, they just make it a process to delete. Deleted my Reddit a few months ago.

Basically get my social media fix from here, IC, and YouTube. Still use my phone way too much lol
 
Paine said:
It’s like ripping a bandaid off. I’ve been so much happier since deleting Twitter and Instagram. I finally deleted my FB this year too. Rarely used it, they just make it a process to delete. Deleted my Reddit a few months ago.

Basically get my social media fix from here, IC, and YouTube. Still use my phone way too much lol
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I still use Reddit. The bevy of reviews/opinions on headphones, running shoes, and vehicles (amongst others) has been a genuine boon to my product discrimination. I stay the hell off political stuff. Sometimes I wade into a gaming forum when I get stuck in a FromSoftware game, but I stick with 1st order comments.
 
HeelingAg said:
I still use Reddit. The bevy of reviews/opinions on headphones, running shoes, and vehicles (amongst others) has been a genuine boon to my product discrimination. I stay the hell off political stuff. Sometimes I wade into a gaming forum when I get stuck in a FromSoftware game, but I stick with 1st order comments.
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Oh yeah, it’s still great for stuff like that. When logged in though, I couldn’t help myself from checking political subs.
 
About 4 years ago I cut back on Facebook posting and that was highly beneficial. It's still helpful as a way to connect with friends but removing it from my home screen helped

I never post on Instagram so that's not an issue.

Twitter is toxic. I haven't deleted it but I don't post

LinkedIn is a necessary evil. But my God of the apps that give me heartburn it's the worst

I have never done ticket ticks or snap chat.

I feel in a way social media is going through some things as people are becoming very aware of the toxicity
 
aGDevil2k said:
About 4 years ago I cut back on Facebook posting and that was highly beneficial. It's still helpful as a way to connect with friends but removing it from my home screen helped

I never post on Instagram so that's not an issue.

Twitter is toxic. I haven't deleted it but I don't post

LinkedIn is a necessary evil. But my God of the apps that give me heartburn it's the worst

I have never done ticket ticks or snap chat.

I feel in a way social media is going through some things as people are becoming very aware of the toxicity
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Same here. I've never posted on Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit, etc. I do have a Twitter and LinkedIn page but very, very rarely post on either. I have a Facebook page and use it to keep in touch with friends and relatives, but I don't take the chain posts or right-wing crap on it very seriously. The vast majority of what I do read and post is here, actually.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
"Survived" is a rather relative term, given what happened during covid. Liberals may lose "their ever loving minds" if Trump wins (and for good reasons, I would argue) but I seriously doubt you're going to see them storming the Capitol as happened with Trumpers on 1/6/21, and I doubt there will be any violence if Trump wins - just a lot of disgust and justifiable fear about what happens next.
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He knows this. But it takes away from his "both sides are bad" mantra.

When people talk about "surviving" Trump in 2016, I think some (especially on the right) forget how much we had to do to get our economy back on track, forge alliances in Europe all over again, etc. Those changes didn't simply happen overnight. Some are still felt to this day. So spare me the "it's only 4 years" crap.
 
nycfan said:
I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that the 2024 electoral map is going to look at lot like the 2016 electoral outcome ...
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There's zero basis for that sinking feeling. I think you're reading the polls too much and psyching yourself out. Read Ezra Klein's column in the Times today.

I mean, maybe Trump wins. We can't tell. But there's no greater reason to think that today than, say, last week or two weeks ago. Nothing is changing in this race right now, or nothing that we can see. Whatever is happening isn't yet observable to us.

This is a way of guessing that a) you're feeling anxiety about the election as it gets closer; and b) you're attaching that anxiety to a "growing sense" that the race is being lost. But b) is wrong. The race isn't being lost. And as Plouffe says, it's better to be us than them.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Half the country is pushing a narrative that a Trump win is apocalyptic even though he’s already been president for 4 years previously and we all survived.
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100% of men and women who die survived not only the previous 4 years but the previous 14. And yet, despite that track record, they die. Get it?
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Frankly, you and I are discussing totally different topics. I'm discussing why liberals at large were shocked by Trump's victory in 2016, and you're discussing American warmongering and imperialism and being a global policeman. And I'm not even disagreeing with you, I'm just discussing something that doesn't relate to that. If you want to take off on that tangent then by all means go ahead, but that wasn't the point of my post.
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I don't think it's a tangent. Part of explaining liberal shock in 2016 is understanding that the average liberal has an exceedingly selective view of decency, a point underscored by recent efforts to rehabilitate Dick Cheney and, over the years, any number of detestable Republicans who just happened to think Trump too gauche and too dumb to elect. Back in the good ol' days, when the Republican establishment wanted to unnecessarily murder hundreds of thousands of people, they had the common decency to couch it in rhetoric of freedom and democracy, to win Democratic support, and to make it sound intellectually and morally respectable.
 
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