It wasn't ignorant. There was no recent evidence of crowd sizes as having a strong predictive role. And let's be honest, we still don't know that. The 2016 election was turned on its head by an October surprise (Comey) and vote suppression efforts (to a lesser extent). Trump was getting huge crowds when the polls said he was losing badly.
But in short they are indicative of enthusiasm. And that is a metric that can usually give some doubt that polls could be slightly off to one side. That's one thing she's got more of this cycle
Are you arguing semantics? If it really bothers you, there are many things that could change and Trump could still lose despite the betting markets currently favoring him.
It's not semantics. You literally said betting markets changing could PREVENT a trump win.
To add some additional input here:
Exactly. It's hard to describe how low engagement in comms has gotten. And how is changed so much in 4 years... And more in 8.
Oh good Lord. Find something else to argue about.
I will.
I've read some articles recently which have pointed out that despite the ups and downs of polling, in general the polls have been remarkably stable over the past couple of months, and they have consistently given Kamala a lead. Of course I'm skeptical of polls in general this year, but I do think as we get closer to election day a lot of very anxious Democrats are freaking out (and not without reason, I might add, given that Trump might win). And my guess is that this anxiety will get worse for some people as we get closer to the election. The trauma of 2016 for Democrats is very real.
I’m terrified
I can tell. And my guess is that most liberals are feeling some anxiety right now, and with good reason. Having said that, I'm not the type who is going to express said anxieties on an anonymous message board, but maybe that's just me. My own feeling is that right now all we can do is make sure we vote, try to convince others we know who agree with our views to vote, and hope and pray for the best.
Yeah I just can’t believe we are about 2 weeks away from this country voting an absolute piece of shit into the office of president. It’s shocking. And That means I am that close to simply not caring anymore.
Well, I guess the difference is that I'm not giving up just yet and I'll wait until the actual election returns come in and for Trump to win before I'll worry too much. Maybe it's just that I'm older now, but I have enough to focus on at work and with my family to worry about things this far in advance. If Trump wins I'll indeed be anxious and depressed and seriously worry about the country's future, but as I said I'm not giving up just yet, and I don't think the election is a lost cause.
Or we are 2 weeks away from Madame President
While campaign rally turnout is indicative of enthusiasm, it's indicative of enthusiasm among the base and the base is already going to the polls for their candidate.
This one??????
www.nbcnews.com
1. Well, you didn't know that the rallies were indicative of enthusiasm. I didn't either. I thought it was a lot of bullshit. I'm not sure it's not bullshit, but in any event, I don't think I was ignorant in 2016. I think the knowledge didn't exist. I don't think you were ignorant.
I largely agree with you, but isn't an anonymous message board a great place to express yourself and vent those anxieties? I know I largely cannot discuss my concerns with others around me, so this is a helpful environment.