2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

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Trump was pretty negative, dour, and joyless back in 2016. The Republican National Convention that year was full-on fire and brimstone.
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I would say that for people that supported him, he was a fresh face. He did things differently and they liked it. Some went full on into the cult. Others have pulled back. But he was horribly negative and mean even in 2016. Now, he's even meaner but he's just lame and repetitive. He's boring.
 
Jesse Helms repeated that Jim Hunt - Jim effing Hunt - was too liberal for North Carolina for 15-18 months on end……..it worked.

It’s a long way from won.
It is a long way from "won."

18 months is a much shorter time frame than 9 years.
 
It is a long way from "won."

18 months is a much shorter time frame than 9 years.
In the summer of ‘83, Hunt led Helms by 13-15 points.

After the Democratic Convention in 1988, Dukakis was BEATING THE HOLY SHIT out of Bush.
 
Trump was pretty negative, dour, and joyless back in 2016. The Republican National Convention that year was full-on fire and brimstone.
Unfortunately, for a lot of people, especially evangelicals, the prospect of fire and brimstone for their enemies brings them joy.
 
Trump was pretty negative, dour, and joyless back in 2016. The Republican National Convention that year was full-on fire and brimstone.
I agree with you about Trump's message in 2016. But his tone was much different. He had a carefree "get on board ... I'm a successful businessman and I can fix it" vibe. Clinton, by contrast, seemed overly serious with comments like "the basket of deplorables".

I voted without reservation for Clinton and I generally agreed with her positions but to my eyes, Trump was clearly the happier warrior.
 
In the summer of ‘83, Hunt led Helms by 13-15 points.

After the Democratic Convention in 1988, Dukakis was BEATING THE HOLY SHIT out of Bush.
What was the name of the Bib Overall guy with the little paper out of North Chatham . I seem to remember shortly before the Hunt-Helms Senate election he ran an article about "lots of young boys go in and out of the back door of Hunt's Executive mansion"
 
In the summer of ‘83, Hunt led Helms by 13-15 points.

After the Democratic Convention in 1988, Dukakis was BEATING THE HOLY SHIT out of Bush.
Those examples are fine but not on my point of the same boring message not landing 9 years later. That's the point. Trump's same, tired stuff is boring to people outside of the cult.


Hell Clinton was going to win before Comey fucked her. I am a Duke football fan...I get blowing leads late.
 
Agreed. Democrats need to run scared all the way to election day. Any Democrat who feels cocky or confident about the election outcome after 2016 (and near defeat in 2020) needs to have their head examined, imo.
I know, I know. I hear y'all, I really do. You can probably tell that I'm still very new to the whole "being a Democratic voter" thing. Unbridled confidence is probably a leftover remnant as a hallmark of my former Republicanism :cool:
 
Take out that 8% and Kamala’s around 50%. RFK will almost certainly drop to 2% max, so if Kamala can get most of that, she would win. Just a moment in time, of course.
Why do you think it is certain that RFK maxes out at 2%? That is possible, for sure. But I don’t think there is any magic about the 2% level. He could outperform that or he could drop to 1%. There have been several third party candidates over the years, with far less name recognition than RFK, to get 3%+
 
Why do you think it is certain that RFK maxes out at 2%? That is possible, for sure. But I don’t think there is any magic about the 2% level. He could outperform that or he could drop to 1%. There have been several third party candidates over the years, with far less name recognition than RFK, to get 3%+
Maybe he gets a second wind, but RFK seems like he’s on his absolute last legs now. No money, no momentum, no buzz. Historically, those candidacies fade at the end. I’d put his over-under at 1.5%, but it’s also extremely possible he ends his campaign in the next couple of weeks, in which case he’ll probably get less than 1%.
 
Maybe he gets a second wind, but RFK seems like he’s on his absolute last legs now. No money, no momentum, no buzz. Historically, those candidacies fade at the end. I’d put his over-under at 1.5%, but it’s also extremely possible he ends his campaign in the next couple of weeks, in which case he’ll probably get less than 1%.
That sounds right to me. But nothing makes it certain he’ll max out at 2%. I don’t think too many things are “certain” in this year’s election.
 
That sounds right to me. But nothing makes it certain he’ll max out at 2%. I don’t think too many things are “certain” in this year’s election.
Very true. Just looking at the odds. The swing states are all that really matters, of course, but for national polling, I’m looking at when Kamala hits 51%. That’s the winning number, in my opinion. If RFK outperforms, it may be less than that, but I just don’t see him going anywhere.
 
Maybe he gets a second wind, but RFK seems like he’s on his absolute last legs now. No money, no momentum, no buzz. Historically, those candidacies fade at the end. I’d put his over-under at 1.5%, but it’s also extremely possible he ends his campaign in the next couple of weeks, in which case he’ll probably get less than 1%.
also third party candidates attract the both sides are bad people/ there's no point in trying crowd whom are likely to cheer them durign the race, but then look at the chances on election day and say "why bother?" to going out to vote.
 
The ruling about his NY residency could be a backbreaker. "Renting" a room in a friend's house that you never step foot in while claiming that's your permanent residence is a bold strategy Cotton.
 
Those examples are fine but not on my point of the same boring message not landing 9 years later. That's the point. Trump's same, tired stuff is boring to people outside of the cult.


Hell Clinton was going to win before Comey fucked her. I am a Duke football fan...I get blowing leads late.
I don’t think historical polls are very useful or an indicator of anything in this election.
 
Agreed. Democrats need to run scared all the way to election day. Any Democrat who feels cocky or confident about the election outcome after 2016 (and near defeat in 2020) needs to have their head examined, imo.
I agree with you. But on the other hand, I don't believe James Comey is in any governmental position where he can spring an "October Surprise" on Harris.
 
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