2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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HeelYeah2012 said:
I don’t watch every Trump speech but from a quick Google search, sounds like he was talking about ways to stop petty crimes and shoplifting.

Are you suggesting he was promoting a national day of violence against all liberals or something? Or are you acknowledging this was about shoplifting and other similar crimes and how he believes we should respond by actually doing something to stop them instead of letting the crimes go unpunished?
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1. How do you think fascist violence happens? You think the murderous dictators say, "hey, we're going to kill all the people we don't like"? Of course not. They claim they are fighting crime or some nonsense like that. Read about Duterte's Philippines below. 6000 "drug dealers" killed. 12-30K other people too. Remember, Trump praised Duterte and his violent reprisals in particular.


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Also, in South America, they used to "disappear" people. Often that meant dumping them in the ocean. That's how this shit happens.

2. You are aware that we have constitutional rights, correct? And one of them is trial by jury. And another one is a right against cruel and unusual punishment.
Do you not care about our rights? Maybe you care about YOUR rights? Or maybe you think a day of violent reprisals for shoplifting wouldn't violate the 4th, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments?

3. Do you seriously think that petty crime should be punished by "really rough" behavior by cops. Remember what really rough means. Remember Freddie Gray in Baltimore who got taken for a "rough ride"?
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Yes, getting rough with opportunistic criminals is more palatable than getting rough with random people who didn’t commit crimes. Beating people to death isn’t the answer in either scenario and not something anyone rational would endorse
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And yet Trump just did. So by your own standards, he's not rational. Do I have that right?

The idea that random people would be unaffected by a day of violence [editor's note: there is no such thing as "a" day of violence; once you go down that road, there is no pulling back] is staggeringly ignorant of. . . well, history. I don't want to say "all of it" but pretty close -- there has never, to my knowledge, in the history of Western Civilization, an organized government initiative to unleash violence against the citizenry without affecting "random people." In fact, more often than not -- overwhelmingly so -- the actual goal is terror.
 
HeelingAg said:
I respect your baseline optimism. I self flagellate at times over my baseline cynicism, and the defense mechanism I know it to be. I think preparing yourself for the nervous cynic’s outcome my be in order.

Best wishes to your people.
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Well and we have to remember our dear nycfan makes the sacrifices to see the red twitter smut every damn day...and so seeing that much awfulness can only turn one a bit more skeptical and negative
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Correct, I agree with you. Criminals should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, not beat to death by police and also not just ignored and allowed to steal with no consequences. All of the above should go without saying but I guess in this environment you never know what people may believe.
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It amazes me that you actually post this shit on this board when there are posters here who know who you are.

Nobody is "allowed" to steal without consequences. It is prosecuted as a misdemeanor offense in California if the theft is $950 or less; in other states, the threshold is higher. Above the threshold, it can be charged as a felony. You can get jail time for theft less than $950, especially if it's not your first offense.
 
nycfan said:
Trump claims that Biden and Harris are refusing him enough secret service to interfere with his campaign and hogging protection for themselves even though they don’t need it.

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I’m sure Prairie du Chien (pop. 5,506) and Crawford County (pop. 16,114) have a stadium that can fit 50,000 people.

University of Wisconsin-Platteville, an hour away, has a 10,000 seat stadium.

Maybe there’s a large racetrack nearby.
 
Harris has flipped the script on Trump with funds and with small donor contribution percentages compared to 2016 and 2020. THAT is a really key indicator that "dont trust the polls" alone has some strong validity
 
aGDevil2k said:
Harris has flipped the script on Trump with funds and with small donor contribution percentages compared to 2016 and 2020. THAT is a really key indicator that "dont trust the polls" alone has some strong validity
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OTOH, small donors and crowd sizes were things Trump cited as evidence polls were wrong about him losing in 2020 and he was wrong.
 
I worry about this Iran conflict, the disaster in western NC and an impending dock strike all happening at once this close the election. Even if the response is 100% correct and timely on all 3, the right wing propaganda machine will make it sound like nothing has been done.
 
unc879 said:
I worry about this Iran conflict, the disaster in western NC and an impending dock strike all happening at once this close the election. Even if the response is 100% correct and timely on all 3, the right wing propaganda machine will make it sound like nothing has been done.
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Maybe these are my conservative roots showing but I’m having a hard time ginning up sympathy for the ILA. Maybe they should get some pay increases, but opposing port automation is like horse breeders opposing the Model T. If there’s anything in our commercial infrastructure that’s perfectly suited for automation in the New Panamax era, it’s our ports.
 
lawtig02 said:
Maybe these are my conservative roots showing but I’m having a hard time ginning up sympathy for the ILA. Maybe they should get some pay increases, but opposing port automation is like horse breeders opposing the Model T. If there’s anything in our commercial infrastructure that’s perfectly suited for automation in the New Panamax era, it’s our ports.
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I get where y’all are coming from on this, but think about it this way: these guys have little to no control over whether automation takes their job. In an ideal world, automation would be used to lessen the workload on everyone and create a more equitable society.

Under our current system, automation is a tool for the boss to reduce costs and fire workers. Is it any surprise that these guys would be hostile to automation under these conditions?

They’re not luddites, despite some previous assertions otherwise. They just want to protect their families and livelihoods. Completely understandable IMO.
 
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