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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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LeoBloom said:
And maybe it’s just Sunday morning blahs, or maybe it’s the inundation of Trump ads, or maybe it’s that I only see the same Harris ads, the same ones I’ve seen for the last month, nothing new to highlight Kelly’s comments, or Trump’s latest craziness, or maybe it’s that I’m out of touch with new media. Could be all of that.
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She rolls out new ads daily.
 
Paine said:
Article in the NYT about the Muslim mayor who endorsed Trump, but I can’t find it atm.

Of course, he talks about Gaza and Trump claiming to want to end wars in Ukraine and Gaza. Low info Muslim voters who don’t know what Trump did last time may buy this, but I think nycfan’s comment above gets more at the heart.

A segment of Muslims in the United States have social conservative views in the same ways Christians do. It was only a matter of time before the right was able to co-opt this hate.

This was a liberal town that accepted people from Syria with open arms. Now, a Muslim majority on the council has voted to remove the LGBTQ+ flag from the city hall.

This isn’t an argument about whether we should or shouldn’t accept immigrants in from socially conservative areas, because I think we should.

But we need to do a much better job educating and providing opportunities for these people once they’re here. Same thing that happens with domestic Christians who aren’t educated or shown the world.
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I am sure Stephen Miller will give them plenty of opportunity when he rolls into town.
 
mpaer said:
Just now we had a young lady knock on our door (middle of Garner ) pushing Dems in the election
She was bussed down from Boston yesterday Holy Moly the National dems are taking NC seriously
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They need something to offset the loss of Michigan.
 
altmin said:
I am probably over reacting and applying to much weight on past elections while not considering the Dobbs decision effect.
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Not saying it’s not close and some anxiety isn’t warranted (I still have 2016 PTSD), but so many things have happened since then. Trump has his supporters locked in. They would vote for him if a video surfaced of him in gay porn. He has their vote. Honestly feel that Kamala and her campaign (campaign staff and surrogates) are reaching the people who aren’t Trump loyalists. At what percentage we don’t know but do feel it’s resonating. Don’t have to sway them all. It’s all about the margins. Her numbers look good. Just have trust in great turnout. I am trying to be positive in light of my anxiety :)
 
I have a farm in rural western N.C.- nearest (small) town is 20 miles away. Since I dropped church a few years ago I often take my ancient jeep for a tour of the back roads on Sunday morning. Today I drove for an hour. Pertinent findings: 1) 11 Trump signs in yards vs. 6 Harris/Walz signs. Two of the Trump signs were recycled 2020 signs. In 2020 the count would have been Trump 20, Biden 1. Many of the houses that had multiple Trump signs in 2020 are sign free in 2024. Is this a sign of decreased enthusiasm? This area is perhaps the most Republican area of the state. 2) More donkeys in pastures than Trump signs. 3) I thought my storm damage was bad. 4) Hundreds of acres of unharvested corn. Mine was finished 3 weeks ago. If it starts raining they'll be sorry they waited.
 
DiehardHeelFan said:
Not saying it’s not close and some anxiety isn’t warranted (I still have 2016 PTSD), but so many things have happened since then. Trump has his supporters locked in. They would vote for him if a video surfaced of him in gay porn. He has their vote. Honestly feel that Kamala and her campaign (campaign staff and surrogates) are reaching the people who aren’t Trump loyalists. At what percentage we don’t know but do feel it’s resonating. Don’t have to sway them all. It’s all about the margins. Her numbers look good. Just have trust in great turnout. I am trying to be positive in light of my anxiety :)
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I mean I know someone in the campaign did the math and decided that reaching out to the Muslim vote would open them up to too many pro Israel voters defecting.

It's always easier to run as the alternative to the current regime because you can tell two groups of unhappy people that the problem is the party in power, even if what you are selling is the opposite to those disaffected groups. People just want their complaints amplified and don't think past them.
 
altmin said:
I mean I know someone in the campaign did the math and decided that reaching out to the Muslim vote would open them up to too many pro Israel voters defecting.

It's always easier to run as the alternative to the current regime because you can tell two groups of unhappy people that the problem is the party in power, even if what you are selling is the opposite to those disaffected groups. People just want their complaints amplified and don't think past them.
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The struggle for Dems is that they truly are a big tent which is a good thing. But also leads to situations where two groups in the tent are at odds with each other. It’s walking a tight rope to show that you want to help both. The Dems are sincere about it which makes it hard going against someone who will throw whatever :poop: at the wall they can to make it stick to win an election. Knowing full well they have no intention of helping and fully intend to marginalize them.
 
altmin said:
They need something to offset the loss of Michigan.
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Even factoring in a loss of votes for Harris from Michigan’s Arab-American or Palestinian-American or Muslim population, it’s not like that entire population is voter-eligible. Many are under the age of 18. Some others are not U.S. citizens. And then there are many others who just don’t vote (haven’t in the past, likely won’t this election). And it’s not like the entire population is going to refuse to vote for Harris. She will still probably get a lot of votes from within that population. And Biden’s 2020 Michigan victory wasn’t based mainly on votes from that population.

In other words, while losing a substantial number of those votes certainly poses a problem, it doesn’t mean Harris loses Michigan.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Even factoring in a loss of votes for Harris from Michigan’s Arab-American or Palestinian-American or Muslim population, it’s not like that entire population is voter-eligible. Many are under the age of 18. Some others are not U.S. citizens. And then there are many others who just don’t vote (haven’t in the past, likely won’t this election). And it’s not like the entire population is going to refuse to vote for Harris. She will still probably get a lot of votes from within that population. And Biden’s 2020 Michigan victory wasn’t based mainly on votes from that population.

In other words, while losing a substantial number of those votes certainly poses a problem, it doesn’t mean Harris loses Michigan.
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I've read that there are 200K Muslim voters in MI. Not all of them Arab, and not all of the Arabs Muslim.
 


Do….do the Republicucks know they aren’t running against Hillary Clinton and that the last time they did so was nearly a decade ago?
 
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