2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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SnoopRob said:
What? I'd say it's pretty much assured unless the roadblock is Senate approval and the Pubs can't get him through the Senate.

Trump doesn't care who carries out the details of his administration and he'll reward loyalty unless there's a reason not to (or until he decides someone is no longer sufficiently loyal).
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I just have a feeling Trump thinks RFK is a complete idiot and will have no qualms about tossing him over the side if he wins.
 
lawtig02 said:
Tonight's speech on the Ellipse could not come at a better time. The media has been talking nonstop about Trump, and not in a positive way. We're one week out now, so even the people who hate politics are finally tuning in. The backdrop should be great. The symbolism should be great. And Kamala does really well with these types of speeches, probably because she's made hundreds of actual closing arguments in her career. I'm excited to hear it, and I have a strong feeling it will be a big positive for her as we enter crunch time.
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Just as an aside, I don't think there's any way Kamala made hundreds of closing arguments in her career. Maybe a couple dozen.
 
nycfan said:
People HATED Michelle Obama for trying to make school lunches healthier.

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Yeah anyone who believes this is a freaking moron. I'm sure they're going to be directing all the money public schools would need to prepare and serve all fresh foods.
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't want to sound like one of those people who dismiss everything Trump says, but even if he's elected, the odds RFK actually has a role in Trump's administration are about 2%.
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Gonna have to disagree with you there. Who knows how long he'll last, but I don't doubt that Trump will put him in the admin from the start.
 
rodoheel said:
Just as an aside, I don't think there's any way Kamala made hundreds of closing arguments in her career. Maybe a couple dozen.
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Yeah, I don't know the actual number, but she was a deputy DA in Alameda County for eight years and an assistant DA in San Francisco for two years. From the DAs I know in Charlotte, she likely tried 100+ cases over those ten years. So "hundreds" may be an exaggeration, but I'm thinking she has a ton of courtroom experience.
 
LeoBloom said:
Absolutely. She needs to present the stark contrast between her hopeful vision and Trump's hateful vision. She needs to hammer Trump or his violent and offensive rhetoric and associations, but that should not be the core of her speech. It is a fine line, for sure. But this is a speech to instill a sense of hope about America. It is a build people up speech.
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Bingo. I'm no speechwriter but I can see the outlines. You don't even have to mention Trump by name, and in fact I wouldn't. You can paint the insurrection, which started at the admonition of her opponent at the very spot she'll be speaking, as inherently un-American. Same with calling political opponents the enemy from within. Same with calling parts of America floating garbage. Pivot to we can disagree without being disagreeable. Dissent is vital to our democracy's survival. We're stronger because we can voice our disagreement. You can't threaten to jail people or revoke broadcasting licenses because you disagree. That's not what happens in a democracy. Pivot to a more unifying message. Even if you don't vote for me, as president I will listen to you, and I will look out for you and your interests too. That's the job. That's always been the job.

It's the kind of thing I'd expect Obama to nail (see e.g. his "Grace" speech), but we can't hold people to that standard.
 
superrific said:
They won't get him through the Senate to do the shit he's talking about.

But more importantly, Trump doesn't give a shit about RFK. He just liked the name. RFK is going to be more Peter Navarro than anyone important.
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Trump doesn't give a shit about RFKJr, but he understands loyalty and rewarding it like the wannabe mob boss he is.

He'll repay RFKJr's loyalty unless he's forced not to or unless RFKJr does something disloyal.
 
CFordUNC said:


Lololol at voting for Trump to own the libs but getting your 401k owned instead. Dumb fucks.
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This is the long-term Musk/Thiel play - tank the American economy, cause the country to default on its debt and weaken the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency, then encourage everyone to flee into crypto as a new reserve currency instead.
 
rodoheel said:
Just as an aside, I don't think there's any way Kamala made hundreds of closing arguments in her career. Maybe a couple dozen.
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lawtig02 said:
Yeah, I don't know the actual number, but she was a deputy DA in Alameda County for eight years and an assistant DA in San Francisco for two years. From the DAs I know in Charlotte, she likely tried 100+ cases over those ten years. So "hundreds" may be an exaggeration, but I'm thinking she has a ton of courtroom experience.
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Yeah, my understanding is that in CA, misdemeanor cases are typically tried before a jury. In NC, they are initially tried before a judge (no jury). Obviously jury trials take a lot longer than bench trials.
When ADAs in NC start out, they are in district court handling misdemeanors, and in Mecklenburg they are probably trying 3-5 cases cases per day (most of these are very short trials), so making 3-5 closing arguments per per day. As such, they have probably made 100s of closing arguments after just their first year at the DAs office.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Yeah, my understanding is that in CA, misdemeanor cases are typically tried before a jury. In NC, they are initially tried before a judge (no jury). Obviously jury trials take a lot longer than bench trials.
When ADAs in NC start out, they are in district court handling misdemeanors, and in Mecklenburg they are probably trying 3-5 cases cases per day (most of these are very short trials), so making 3-5 closing arguments per per day. As such, they have probably made 100s of closing arguments after just their first year at the DAs office.
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Thanks guys. I had honestly forgotten she worked so long as a county DA. You're probably right she argued many cases of that kind, though what you're describing is only loosely a "closing argument."
 
CFordUNC said:


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Conditioning MAGA for the inevitable crash that would result from tariffs on everything. That way, when their life savings go to zero, they won't place blame on Trump. Hell, they might not even mind by then. They'll just look to Trump and Musk and ask for more, please.
 
Charlotte-Mecklenburg is key. Definitely key to how NC goes.
If Char-Meck turns out to vote (Dems and Dem-leaning Indys) then NC has a chance to go blue. If they don’t show up to vote (just like they didn’t in 2020) then NC stays redder than my arse after a hot shower.

If they show up, NC can actually help win the entire election for VP Harris.

Show up and vote Charlotte-Mecklenburg! It’s on you almost as much as it is on PA,
 
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