2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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superrific said:
OK. I was making an assumption because of your conservative past and that post. It's not that I thought you were unaware of the issue, only that you might not think about it much. If you represent DV victims regularly, then it would appear my assumption was off. I wasn't putting much weight on it, of course. It was a rhetorical post-starter.

As a general matter, I don't think it would matter if the NFL came out unequivocally against domestic violence. Men don't abuse wives because they think it's an OK thing to do. They do it because they think it advances their interests. They rationalize it as a not-that-bad thing (or even a perfectly acceptable thing in some cases). Having the NFL say it's wrong doesn't address any of the underlying issues. Breast cancer is, of course, an inapt analogy because breast cancer is not a contentious issue. Nobody is for breast cancer. Nobody emotionally relies on breast cancer. At most, men are indifferent to it, but nobody is going to feel threatened by eliminating breast cancer.
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Yeah, I think we mostly agree. My analogy to breast cancer was largely because, as you say, it's not contentious. In fact, it's probably one of the LEAST contentious causes out there. The fact that DV is not also completely noncontentious is a massive black eye for men. And I could see the dial moving a little if an organization like the NFL, which is highly likely to be followed and respected by abusers, would come out and say DV is every bit as worthy of our social attention and correction as is an obviously noncontentious issue like breast cancer.

We're probably getting into another thread here, so I'll likely leave it as it is, but I do think we mostly agree.
 
ZenMode said:
It all comes down to an apostrophe.

Did Biden say:

"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter's..... (rest of the thought)"

or

"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters.....(rest of the thought)""
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In context it was clearly the first.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I do think Trump is pretty funny sometimes. I don't think the garbage truck thing was all that funny personally. But I'd say I'm "lukewarm" to "thinks it's slightly funny" on it. But then again, I don't take politics nearly as seriously as most of you do. It's a hobby of mine but I have a different perspective on its importance than many of the TDS folks.
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This sort of apathetic attitude is why I think we're headed for a continuing drift towards authoritarianism as a country, and we may not be shaken out of it unless/until our country experiences something truly catastrophic, like another world war or the complete collapse of the federal government. Too many people think that politics doesn't really matter, and that nothing will be that different whoever wins. Those people (HY2012 is far from the only one) basically take for granted the US's place as the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world - since the US has now been the wealthiest and most powerful national in the world for the entire living memory of, like, 99.9% of the world's population - and because we're the wealthiest and most powerful nation in the world nothing "that bad" can happen to us from a societal perspective. That's how you end up with millions of people basically shrugging their shoulders at the fairly openly autocratic musings of Trump and many of his top surrogates;, and telling themselves it's all talk; they don't really conceive that anything truly ugly could happen. I fear that they're not going to realize their mistake until it's too late, and all of us will be screwed together.
 
superrific said:
In context it was clearly the first.
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I don't think it's as clear as you want it to be. Either way, it was not a good decision to have Joe navigating that verbal minefield, knowing he does not always express thought clearly.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I've laid out in great detail in recent days my 6 or 7 main reasons I voted for Trump. My vote has been cast, I'm done rehashing the same points over and over. Now we just await the results, and I guarantee you I won't be on here freaking out if Trump loses.

I do think Trump is pretty funny sometimes. I don't think the garbage truck thing was all that funny personally. But I'd say I'm "lukewarm" to "thinks it's slightly funny" on it. But then again, I don't take politics nearly as seriously as most of you do. It's a hobby of mine but I have a different perspective on its importance than many of the TDS folks.
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I hear your reasoning for supporting Trump, and like others, I can’t see your economic analysis. You have mentioned your sister’s liberal positioning (with disdain) and have mentioned on multiple occasions your dad’s Republican positioning (which you appear proud to be emulating). Is a possible that the latter is receiving a higher weighting than you admit?

True story, so I’ll tell it. My son-in-law (a couple year older than you) came from a very Republican family. Republican and respected enough that his dad was encouraged by the county Republican Party to run for a local race. He declined after receiving the list of positions he had to agree to and just could not support some.

In 2016 my SIL could not bring himself to vote for Trump, and rather than sitting it out he voted for Hillary. His dad, mom, and sister went for Trump. When 2020 came around Trump had lost my SIL’s mom and sister but not his dad. Now in 2024 all four from his family have voted for Harris, but all are still registered R. My SIL has shifted enough that he voted straight D.

Based on other comments you’ve made, you come to this board to get information that you’re obviously not getting from your typical sources. You learned some things here that made you research further and determined you could not support Robinson and Morrow. Good for you. I shared the sequence of events from my daughter’s husband and in-laws because my SIL had to go against the family grain to distance himself from a strictly Republican stance. He became the starting point to eventually even bring his dad to his thinking. Just sayin’.
 
I cannot believe Chris and Susie are getting paid tens of millions of dollars to do this lolololol. I'd have happily tanked Trump's campaign for *several* fewer zeroes in the paycheck.
 
CFordUNC said:
hahaha @lawtig02 do you want to get this man or should I??
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I'll just say this. If Zelensky wanted to design a campaign that would make "Trump and the Putinidiots" (TM pending) look like the absolutely stupidest people in the history of politics, and was willing to dedicate the entire GDP of Ukraine to that strategy, I don't think he could have done much better than to hire LaCivita and Wiles. They'll be lucky to get the next season of "Tiger King" when all this is over.
 
I think at this point most everyone is decided. I don't think anything matters from here on out and we will find out once votes are tabulated, counted, recounted, reported, contested, and then the legal process.

The only thing that could tip the scales is for more bad weather in swing areas with late deciding low info votes that would have gone more heavily to either Harris or Trump. Low info voters that are barely motivated to vote, won't bother to go out in the rain.

EDIT: I should correct that. A large swath of MAGA are low info voters. I meant the low info true unaffiliated or true undecideds each election.
 
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aGDevil2k said:
NORMAL gay guy? Is that me?

And the hell you will. But he is right - just leave me the hell alone. The problem is, he doesnt want that. He wants intrusive government.
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I’d be curious to know if JD Vance is doing a little projecting?
 
LOL at Vance saying, "me and Trump." Cardinal sin in MAGA land. Do not ever put yourself above Dear Leader.

Also, JD, ain't nobody voting for Trump 'cause of your sorry ass.
 
aGDevil2k said:
NORMAL gay guy? Is that me?

And the hell you will. But he is right - just leave me the hell alone. The problem is, he doesnt want that. He wants intrusive government.
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Punchline: to JD Vance there isn't a normal gay guy vote. So yeah, Trump will at least break even or maybe win 1-0 depending on JD's own internal understanding of his sexuality.
 
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