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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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hedge said:
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Biden's garbage comment was a deliberate troll job that led Trump to waste half a day in the waning hours of the campaign riding around in a garbage truck?
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I don’t think that was his intent, but it’s really hard to imagine anything that would have been more likely to cause Trump to face plant in the last four days of the campaign.
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CFordUNC said:
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Unfortunately that’s not a gaffe. Most people would be very hard pressed to pin down preferences between “Latino” and “Hispanic.” There’s a ton at play there, including geography, politics, nation of descent, class, assimilation, colorism… on and on.

There’s generally an east coast/west coast divide, just as trump referenced. But it doesn’t surprise me that a pro-trump NM crowd would prefer “Hispanic,” since for many it implies an association with Spain and that colonizing history, and a distancing from the indigenous origins — which is precisely why the term is rejected by the “Latino” crowd. It’s very very nuanced.

But if Harris had asked that at a rally in CA or AZ, the numbers very likely would’ve been flipped.

These concepts are at the heart of the issue of these populations not being monolithic, and needing distinct messaging based on a number of factors I’ve mentioned.
 
duluoz said:
Unfortunately that’s not a gaffe. Most people would be very hard pressed to pin down preferences between “Latino” and “Hispanic.” There’s a ton at play there, including geography, politics, nation of descent, class, assimilation, colorism… on and on.

There’s generally an east coast/west coast divide, just as trump referenced. But it doesn’t surprise me that a pro-trump NM crowd would prefer “Hispanic,” since for many it implies an association with Spain and that colonizing history, and a distancing from the indigenous origins — which is precisely why the term is rejected by the “Latino” crowd. It’s very very nuanced.

But if Harris had asked that at a rally in CA or AZ, the numbers very likely would’ve been flipped.

These concepts are at the heart of the issue of these populations not being monolithic, and needing distinct messaging based on a number of factors I’ve mentioned.
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I lived in NYC for a while and never once heard any non-white person refer to themselves as Hispanic. Not that it matters. For Trump to even know that is more than I would have thought.
 
superrific said:
I lived in NYC for a while and never once heard any non-white person refer to themselves as Hispanic. Not that it matters. For Trump to even know that is more than I would have thought.
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That’s likely because most of the Spanish-speaking population here in NYC very proudly associate with their national heritage, e.g. Dominican or Puerto Rican (aka “Nuyorican” for some). So they don’t want to be lumped into a broader term, strongly preferring those national terms. Same with Mexicans and others.

But these are the two umbrella terms used to refer to disparate Spanish-speaking/Latin American descent groups combined into one. So the point is that if you gave Dominicans or Puerto Ricans here a choice on an official form of only Latino or Hispanic, they’d almost all take Hispanic. On the west coast, more Mexicans (for example) would choose Latino.

As for trump, he was briefed by someone in the campaign who was aware there are nuances. But they clearly don’t have a firm grasp of those nuances. In fairness, most don’t.
 
duluoz said:
That’s likely because most of the Spanish-speaking population here in NYC very proudly associate with their national heritage, e.g. Dominican or Puerto Rican (aka “Nuyorican” for some). So they don’t want to be lumped into a broader term, strongly preferring those national terms. Same with Mexicans and others.

But these are the two umbrella terms used to refer to disparate Spanish-speaking/Latin American descent groups combined into one. So the point is that if you gave Dominicans or Puerto Ricans here a choice on an official form of only Latino or Hispanic, they’d almost all take Hispanic. On the west coast, more Mexicans (for example) would choose Latino.

As for trump, he was briefed by someone in the campaign who was aware there are nuances. But they clearly don’t have a firm grasp of those nuances. In fairness, most don’t.
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I am aware of Domincans and Nuyoricans. I was specifically speaking to Latino/Hispanic. Sonia Sotomayor chose Latina. My friend lives in El Barrio and he's surrounded by Latino community organizations, Latino organizing events, etc. etc. I lived in Brooklyn and would see ads on the subway or in the local circulars. Never saw Hispanic. Always Latino.

Maybe it's changed in the last 15 years. I could believe that some would choose Hispanic, especially perhaps in Queens, but nearly all? Nope. I don't believe that at all.

This organization is based in NYC

www.latinousa.org

About - Latino USA

NPR's Latino USA with Maria Hinojosa, produced by the Futuro Media Group, is the longest running Latino-focused program on U.S. public media.
www.latinousa.org www.latinousa.org
 
Rock said:
We were this close to Trump assuredly losing the election from a video of him falling down trying to get into a garbage truck. Watch the video and see him nearly bite it twice.

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Yeah….he HOPPED into that truck.

Looked like a true working man in that reflective vest.
 
superrific said:
I am aware of Domincans and Nuyoricans. I was specifically speaking to Latino/Hispanic. Sonia Sotomayor chose Latina. My friend lives in El Barrio and he's surrounded by Latino community organizations, Latino organizing events, etc. etc. I lived in Brooklyn and would see ads on the subway or in the local circulars. Never saw Hispanic. Always Latino.

Maybe it's changed in the last 15 years. I could believe that some would choose Hispanic, especially perhaps in Queens, but nearly all? Nope. I don't believe that at all.
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Sure. I’ve lived here pretty much the whole time you’ve been gone, and am just relaying what I know to be true, in my considerable experience. I have a bunch of Dominican and Puerto Rican friends I hooped with for years at P.S. 19 (aka Roberto Clemente Junior High) in the heart of Puerto Rican South Williamsburg, BK. Two weeks ago I went on a murals tour of Spanish Harlem that featured political murals from the Young Lords to present day. The island that contains the Dominican Republic is called Hispaniola (a name with a direct link to the colonizers). And it’s right around the corner from PR. Incidentally, I also know that if you want to annoy a Dominican or Puerto Rican, call him Spanish. Which is what a lot of native white New Yorkers do. “Get up on that Spanish kid, he can shoot.” “Let’s go get some Spanish food.” Etc. They don’t love that, understandably.

I see now that you’ve linked to Latino USA, an org based in Harlem, as evidence of your claim. The founder is Maria Hinojosa, a Mexican woman. Recall what I’ve said at least once, that Mexicans (and Mexican-Americans) generally prefer Latino. Also recall that I mentioned both terms have a political charge to them, one being more left leaning (anti-colonizer) and one being more right leaning (pro-colonizer), whether or not those using or even adopting the terms are aware of that distinction. So might that explain how that organization based in Harlem came to be called that? And might it also explain why Sonia Sotomayor chooses to identify as Latina?

But I have no desire to get further into one of your endless contrarian pissing matches, so knock yourself out thinking what you want. Which is, “I know everything.”
 
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Yesterday, I contacted my connect for some...let us loosely say, "accoutrements" for the upcoming election week and he said he could hopefully get them to me sometime Monday. I was like, "Monday? Usually you're like FedEx." Apparently many people are....*ahem*...stocking up in more ways than one, and supplies are short.
 
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