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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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In the current version of the GOP...is there a large number of WSJ subscribers?
Haley is no doubt hoping that her bending the knee and remaining loyal to Trump will somehow pay off with his base if he loses this year, and that it will put her in good stead for 2028. What she consistently seems clueless about is that by running against Trump in the primaries this year and making all those criticisms of him she's already alienated both his base and Dear Leader himself, and he has no use for her now, and never will. She'll never get his endorsement and his base is never going to nominate a woman with immigrant Sikh parents whose birth name was Nimarata Randhawa. She's young enough that she'll keep angling for the GOP nomination, but she'll never get it, imo.
 
In the current version of the GOP...is there a large number of WSJ subscribers?

Haley is no doubt hoping that her bending the knee and remaining loyal to Trump will somehow pay off with his base if he loses this year, and that it will put her in good stead for 2028. What she consistently seems clueless about is that by running against Trump in the primaries this year and making all those criticisms of him she's already alienated both his base and Dear Leader himself, and he has no use for her now, and never will. She'll never get his endorsement and his base is never going to nominate a woman with immigrant Sikh parents whose birth name was Nimarata Randhawa. She's young enough that she'll keep angling for the GOP nomination, but she'll never get it, imo.
It’s not only a matter of her winning the GOP nomination in the future. There’s a world where she wins the 2028 nomination and then needs to motivate Trump’s base to turn out to vote for her against Kamala.

Haley has played it right.
 
It’s not only a matter of her winning the GOP nomination in the future. There’s a world where she wins the 2028 nomination and then needs to motivate Trump’s base to turn out to vote for her against Kamala.

Haley has played it right.
You keep saying this, but the world you're talking about is in an alternate universe. She's never going to win the GOP nomination, no matter how much her fans keep wishing it to be so.
 
Haley is no doubt hoping that her bending the knee and remaining loyal to Trump will somehow pay off with his base if he loses this year, and that it will put her in good stead for 2028. What she consistently seems clueless about is that by running against Trump in the primaries this year and making all those criticisms of him she's already alienated both his base and Dear Leader himself, and he has no use for her now, and never will. She'll never get his endorsement and his base is never going to nominate a woman with immigrant Sikh parents whose birth name was Nimarata Randhawa. She's young enough that she'll keep angling for the GOP nomination, but she'll never get it, imo.
Yep. It will be hard for a woman to get the nomination in the Grand Bro Party.
 
It’s not only a matter of her winning the GOP nomination in the future. There’s a world where she wins the 2028 nomination and then needs to motivate Trump’s base to turn out to vote for her against Kamala.

Haley has played it right.
I can't help but laugh at the idea that Trump’s base will ever support anyone but Trump. Are you really that blind to the cultish nature of his core followers?
 
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I’m home tonight to stay for a bit, after being on the road for thirteen months and traveling through 32 states. I am beyond tired but profoundly grateful for the chance to meet so many wonderful people and for the welcome you have given me to your towns and your homes.

I know people are on edge, and there is maybe one last thing I can offer before this election. Every place I stopped, worried people asked me how I have maintained a sense of hope through the past fraught years. The answer—inevitably for me, I suppose—is in our history.

If you had been alive in 1853, you would have thought the elite enslavers had become America’s rulers. They were only a small minority of the U.S. population, but by controlling the Democratic Party, they had managed to take control of the Senate, the White House, and the Supreme Court. They used that power to stop the northerners who wanted the government to clear the rivers and harbors of snags, for example, or to fund public colleges for ordinary people, from getting any such legislation through Congress. But at least they could not use the government to spread their system of human enslavement across the country, because the much larger population in the North held control of the House of Representatives.
 
Then in 1854, with the help of Democratic president Franklin Pierce, elite enslavers pushed the Kansas-Nebraska Act through the House. That law overturned the Missouri Compromise that had kept Black enslavement out of the American West since 1820. Because the Constitution guarantees the protection of property—and enslaved Americans were considered property—the expansion of slavery into those territories would mean the new states there would become slave states. Their representatives would work together with those of the southern slave states to outvote the northern free labor advocates in Congress. Together, they would make enslavement national.

America would become a slaveholding nation.

Enslavers were quite clear that this was their goal.

South Carolina senator James Henry Hammond explicitly rejected “as ridiculously absurd, that much lauded but nowhere accredited dogma of Mr. Jefferson, that ‘all men are born equal.’” He explained to his Senate colleagues that the world was made up of two classes of people. The “Mudsills” were dull drudges whose work produced the food and products that made society function. On them rested the superior class of people, who took the capital the mudsills produced and used it to move the economy, and even civilization itself, forward. The world could not survive without the inferior mudsills, but the superior class had the right—and even the duty—to rule over them.

But that’s not how it played out.
 
As soon as it became clear that Congress would pass the Kansas-Nebraska Act, Representative Israel Washburn of Maine called a meeting of thirty congressmen in Washington, D.C., to figure out how they could fight back against the Slave Power that had commandeered the government to spread the South’s system of human enslavement. The men met in the rooms of Representative Edward Dickinson of Massachusetts—whose talented daughter Emily was already writing poems—and while they came to the meeting from all different political parties, often bitterly divided over specific policies, they left with one sole purpose: to stop the overthrow of American democracy.

The men scattered back to their homes across the North for the summer, sharing their conviction that a new party must rise to stand against the Slave Power. They found “anti-Nebraska” sentiment sweeping their towns; a young lawyer from Illinois later recalled how ordinary people came together: “[W]e rose each fighting, grasping whatever he could first reach—a scythe—a pitchfork—a chopping axe, or a butcher’s cleaver.” In the next set of midterm elections, those calling themselves “anti-Nebraska” candidates swept into both national and state office across the North, and by 1856, opponents of the Slave Power had become a new political party: the Republicans.

But the game wasn’t over. In 1857, the Supreme Court tried to take away Republicans’ power to stop the spread of slavery to the West by declaring in the infamous Dred Scottdecision that Congress had no power to legislate in the territories. This made the Missouri Compromise that had kept enslavement out of the land above Missouri unconstitutional. The next day, Republican editor of the New York Tribune Horace Greeley wrote that the decision was “entitled to just so much moral weight as would be the judgment of a majority of those congregated in any Washington bar-room.”
 
By 1858 the party had a new rising star, the young lawyer from Illinois who had talked about everyone reaching for tools to combat the Kansas-Nebraska Act: Abraham Lincoln. Pro-slavery Democrats called the Republicans radicals for their determination to stop the expansion of slavery, but Lincoln countered that the Republicans were the country’s true conservatives, for they were the ones standing firm on the Declaration of Independence. The enslavers rejecting the Founders’ principles were the radicals.

The next year, Lincoln articulated an ideology for the party, defining it as the party of ordinary Americans defending the democratic idea that all men are created equal against those determined to overthrow democracy with their own oligarchy.

In 1860, at a time when voting was almost entirely limited to white men, voters put Abraham Lincoln into the White House. Furious, southern leaders took their states out of the Union and launched the Civil War.

By January 1863, Lincoln had signed the Emancipation Proclamation ending the American system of human enslavement in lands still controlled by the Confederacy. By November 1863 he had delivered the Gettysburg Address, firmly rooting the United States of America in the Declaration of Independence.

In that speech, Lincoln charged Americans to rededicate themselves to the unfinished work for which so many had given their lives. He urged them to “take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion, that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
 
In less than ten years the country went from a government dominated by a few fabulously wealthy men who rejected the idea that human beings are created equal and who believed they had the right to rule over the masses, to a defense of government of the people, by the people, for the people, and to leaders who called for a new birth of freedom. But Lincoln did not do any of this alone: always, he depended on the votes of ordinary people determined to have a say in the government under which they lived.

In the 1860s the work of those people established freedom and democracy as the bedrock of the United States of America, but the structure itself remained unfinished. In the 1890s and then again in the 1930s, Americans had to fight to preserve democracy against those who would destroy it for their own greed and power. Each time, thanks to ordinary Americans, democracy won.

Now it is our turn.

In our era the same struggle has resurfaced. A small group of leaders has rejected the idea that all people are created equal and seeks to destroy our democracy in order to install themselves into permanent power.

And just as our forebears did, Americans have reached for whatever tools we have at hand to build new coalitions across the nation to push back. After decades in which ordinary people had come to believe they had little political power, they have mobilized to defend American democracy and—with an electorate that now includes women and Black Americans and Brown Americans—have discovered they are strong
 
On November 5 we will find out just how strong we are. We will each choose on which side of the historical ledger to record our names. On the one hand, we can stand with those throughout our history who maintained that some people were better than others and had the right to rule; on the other, we can list our names on the side of those from our past who defended democracy and, by doing so, guarantee that American democracy reaches into the future.

I have had hope in these dark days because I look around at the extraordinary movement that has built in this country over the past several years, and it looks to me like the revolution of the 1850s that gave America a new birth of freedom.

As always, the outcome is in our hands.

“Fellow-citizens,” Lincoln reminded his colleagues, “we cannot escape history. We…will be remembered in spite of ourselves.”

~ Dr. Heather Cox Richardson
 
There’s a world where she wins the 2028 nomination and then needs to motivate Trump’s base to turn out to vote for her against Kamala.
There's definitely a world where any GOP nominee will need to motivate Trump's base to turn out for them. It's called the foreseeable future, but I don't think anybody else besides Trump is going to be able to herd those cats. Everything Trump touches dies, including the republican party..
 
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Ann Selzer was on the MSNBC election special talking about how Senior women are preferring Harris and she is even finding significant gains by senior men.

1. The never again generation of women

2. Korea and Vietnam veteran era of men with a candidate who mocks the hell they went through frequently (not something she said - my commentary)

3. Giant movement in people who were not going to vote at all. (my personal theory is the fucking circus the Trump campaign has been recently has reminded people what 2016-2020 was like and just don't want to put up with this daily shit again)
 
DidI get this from article here? I can’t remember all of my sources these days. But I just shared it with some folks (and posted on Facebook), its worth a shot if you have some folks in your life who haven’t voted and are on the fence…

 
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