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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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HeelYeah2012 said:
It’s not only a matter of her winning the GOP nomination in the future. There’s a world where she wins the 2028 nomination and then needs to motivate Trump’s base to turn out to vote for her against Kamala.

Haley has played it right.
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I tend to agree with HY, Haley is following the lane for a shot at the ‘28 nomination and isn’t the only one doing this.

Governors Kemp and Sununu (and Youngkin & DeSantis from the MAGA right) are all engaging in a version of the same dance to varying degrees.

Now, if Trump wins this election, I’m not so sure this works as well for the Haley/Sununu side, and TBD how much momentum JD Vance would have, but he will have a lot of money already lined up for the race post Trump second term.

If we have an wipe out of the GOP tonight that the polls are not detecting, then I think the Haley/Sununu lane will be better positioned but likely will have to battle with Never Trump Republicans trying to recapture the party in the image of Reagan. But that seems remote right now, so the never-Trumpers seem stuck in the wilderness until at least the next election cycle.
 
nycfan said:
I tend to agree with HY, Haley is following the lane for a shot at the ‘28 nomination and isn’t the only one doing this.

Governors Kemp and Sununu (and Youngkin & DeSantis from the MAGA right) are all engaging in a version of the same dance to varying degrees.

Now, if Trump wins this election, I’m not so sure this works as well for the Haley/Sununu side, and TBD how much momentum JD Vance would have, but he will have a lot of money already lined up for the race post Trump second term.

If we have an wipe out of the GOP tonight that the polls are not detecting, then I think the Haley/Sununu lane will be better positioned but likely will have to battle with Never Trump Republicans trying to recapture the party in the image of Reagan. But that seems remote right now, so the never-Trumpers seem stuck in the wilderness until at least the next election cycle.
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I don’t think anybody here disagrees that that is what Nikki Haley is doing. It’s very clear that that is what she is doing. Where everyone else disagrees is whether it will be successful for Haley (it won’t). Her political career, as it pertains to national presidential aspirations, is over. Just like Ron DeSantis’s. Just like JD Vance’s.
 


Trump seems to be learning something about RFK Jr that enough to have know from RFK Jr’s life story — RFK Jr is about himself and his own crackpottery and he is not afraid to go rogue to leverage any opportunity to promote himself and his bullshit, no matter how it impacts his current patron.
 
nycfan said:
I tend to agree with HY, Haley is following the lane for a shot at the ‘28 nomination and isn’t the only one doing this.

Governors Kemp and Sununu (and Youngkin & DeSantis from the MAGA right) are all engaging in a version of the same dance to varying degrees.

Now, if Trump wins this election, I’m not so sure this works as well for the Haley/Sununu side, and TBD how much momentum JD Vance would have, but he will have a lot of money already lined up for the race post Trump second term.

If we have an wipe out of the GOP tonight that the polls are not detecting, then I think the Haley/Sununu lane will be better positioned but likely will have to battle with Never Trump Republicans trying to recapture the party in the image of Reagan. But that seems remote right now, so the never-Trumpers seem stuck in the wilderness until at least the next election cycle.
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If she wins by a massive disparity among women, a lot of the more chauvinistic males in both parties aren't going to be nearly as viable. There's always going to be the bro vote but I don't think what it would take to grow it will be worth the damage it will do with other groups.
 
lightbluenc said:
At some point it has to be up to normal Republicans to make this change. Dems cant keep trying to do it for them.
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I completely agree, but “normal Republicans”- people like Liz Cheney, Adam Kizinger, etc.- aren’t in the Republican Party anymore. The GOP is about to go through some things if and when they lose this election. They can’t win elections with their supremely weirdo freak MAGA base alone, and that is pretty much all they have left. The Democratic Party is the new conservative party in our country, as I think will be evidenced when the dust clears after this election and we see just how absurdly many crossover Republican voters Harris received.
 
finesse said:
Their institutional advantage buffers the current electoral advantage. We need to win back congress to start to clear up the courts and maybe turn around gerrymandering. It's not going to be easy or fast. 2016 was pretty disastrous for us that way.
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Totally agree with you, although ironically, nothing would get the GOP to scream about abolishing the electoral college more quickly than Texas turning blue this year.
 
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