2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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By 1858 the party had a new rising star, the young lawyer from Illinois who had talked about everyone reaching for tools to combat the Kansas-Nebraska Act: Abraham Lincoln. Pro-slavery Democrats called the Republicans radicals for their determination to stop the expansion of slavery, but Lincoln countered that the Republicans were the country’s true conservatives, for they were the ones standing firm on the Declaration of Independence. The enslavers rejecting the Founders’ principles were the radicals.

The next year, Lincoln articulated an ideology for the party, defining it as the party of ordinary Americans defending the democratic idea that all men are created equal against those determined to overthrow democracy with their own oligarchy.

In 1860, at a time when voting was almost entirely limited to white men, voters put Abraham Lincoln into the White House. Furious, southern leaders took their states out of the Union and launched the Civil War.

By January 1863, Lincoln had signed the Emancipation Proclamation ending the American system of human enslavement in lands still controlled by the Confederacy. By November 1863 he had delivered the Gettysburg Address, firmly rooting the United States of America in the Declaration of Independence.

In that speech, Lincoln charged Americans to rededicate themselves to the unfinished work for which so many had given their lives. He urged them to “take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion, that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”
 
In less than ten years the country went from a government dominated by a few fabulously wealthy men who rejected the idea that human beings are created equal and who believed they had the right to rule over the masses, to a defense of government of the people, by the people, for the people, and to leaders who called for a new birth of freedom. But Lincoln did not do any of this alone: always, he depended on the votes of ordinary people determined to have a say in the government under which they lived.

In the 1860s the work of those people established freedom and democracy as the bedrock of the United States of America, but the structure itself remained unfinished. In the 1890s and then again in the 1930s, Americans had to fight to preserve democracy against those who would destroy it for their own greed and power. Each time, thanks to ordinary Americans, democracy won.

Now it is our turn.

In our era the same struggle has resurfaced. A small group of leaders has rejected the idea that all people are created equal and seeks to destroy our democracy in order to install themselves into permanent power.

And just as our forebears did, Americans have reached for whatever tools we have at hand to build new coalitions across the nation to push back. After decades in which ordinary people had come to believe they had little political power, they have mobilized to defend American democracy and—with an electorate that now includes women and Black Americans and Brown Americans—have discovered they are strong
 
On November 5 we will find out just how strong we are. We will each choose on which side of the historical ledger to record our names. On the one hand, we can stand with those throughout our history who maintained that some people were better than others and had the right to rule; on the other, we can list our names on the side of those from our past who defended democracy and, by doing so, guarantee that American democracy reaches into the future.

I have had hope in these dark days because I look around at the extraordinary movement that has built in this country over the past several years, and it looks to me like the revolution of the 1850s that gave America a new birth of freedom.

As always, the outcome is in our hands.

“Fellow-citizens,” Lincoln reminded his colleagues, “we cannot escape history. We…will be remembered in spite of ourselves.”

~ Dr. Heather Cox Richardson
 
There’s a world where she wins the 2028 nomination and then needs to motivate Trump’s base to turn out to vote for her against Kamala.
There's definitely a world where any GOP nominee will need to motivate Trump's base to turn out for them. It's called the foreseeable future, but I don't think anybody else besides Trump is going to be able to herd those cats. Everything Trump touches dies, including the republican party..
 
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Ann Selzer was on the MSNBC election special talking about how Senior women are preferring Harris and she is even finding significant gains by senior men.

1. The never again generation of women

2. Korea and Vietnam veteran era of men with a candidate who mocks the hell they went through frequently (not something she said - my commentary)

3. Giant movement in people who were not going to vote at all. (my personal theory is the fucking circus the Trump campaign has been recently has reminded people what 2016-2020 was like and just don't want to put up with this daily shit again)
 
DidI get this from article here? I can’t remember all of my sources these days. But I just shared it with some folks (and posted on Facebook), its worth a shot if you have some folks in your life who haven’t voted and are on the fence…

 
It’s not only a matter of her winning the GOP nomination in the future. There’s a world where she wins the 2028 nomination and then needs to motivate Trump’s base to turn out to vote for her against Kamala.

Haley has played it right.
I tend to agree with HY, Haley is following the lane for a shot at the ‘28 nomination and isn’t the only one doing this.

Governors Kemp and Sununu (and Youngkin & DeSantis from the MAGA right) are all engaging in a version of the same dance to varying degrees.

Now, if Trump wins this election, I’m not so sure this works as well for the Haley/Sununu side, and TBD how much momentum JD Vance would have, but he will have a lot of money already lined up for the race post Trump second term.

If we have an wipe out of the GOP tonight that the polls are not detecting, then I think the Haley/Sununu lane will be better positioned but likely will have to battle with Never Trump Republicans trying to recapture the party in the image of Reagan. But that seems remote right now, so the never-Trumpers seem stuck in the wilderness until at least the next election cycle.
 
I tend to agree with HY, Haley is following the lane for a shot at the ‘28 nomination and isn’t the only one doing this.

Governors Kemp and Sununu (and Youngkin & DeSantis from the MAGA right) are all engaging in a version of the same dance to varying degrees.

Now, if Trump wins this election, I’m not so sure this works as well for the Haley/Sununu side, and TBD how much momentum JD Vance would have, but he will have a lot of money already lined up for the race post Trump second term.

If we have an wipe out of the GOP tonight that the polls are not detecting, then I think the Haley/Sununu lane will be better positioned but likely will have to battle with Never Trump Republicans trying to recapture the party in the image of Reagan. But that seems remote right now, so the never-Trumpers seem stuck in the wilderness until at least the next election cycle.
I don’t think anybody here disagrees that that is what Nikki Haley is doing. It’s very clear that that is what she is doing. Where everyone else disagrees is whether it will be successful for Haley (it won’t). Her political career, as it pertains to national presidential aspirations, is over. Just like Ron DeSantis’s. Just like JD Vance’s.
 


Trump seems to be learning something about RFK Jr that enough to have know from RFK Jr’s life story — RFK Jr is about himself and his own crackpottery and he is not afraid to go rogue to leverage any opportunity to promote himself and his bullshit, no matter how it impacts his current patron.
 
I tend to agree with HY, Haley is following the lane for a shot at the ‘28 nomination and isn’t the only one doing this.

Governors Kemp and Sununu (and Youngkin & DeSantis from the MAGA right) are all engaging in a version of the same dance to varying degrees.

Now, if Trump wins this election, I’m not so sure this works as well for the Haley/Sununu side, and TBD how much momentum JD Vance would have, but he will have a lot of money already lined up for the race post Trump second term.

If we have an wipe out of the GOP tonight that the polls are not detecting, then I think the Haley/Sununu lane will be better positioned but likely will have to battle with Never Trump Republicans trying to recapture the party in the image of Reagan. But that seems remote right now, so the never-Trumpers seem stuck in the wilderness until at least the next election cycle.
 
If she wins by a massive disparity among women, a lot of the more chauvinistic males in both parties aren't going to be nearly as viable. There's always going to be the bro vote but I don't think what it would take to grow it will be worth the damage it will do with other groups.
 
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