2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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HeelYeah2012 said:
Agree with you. She’s got a viable path forward if/when Trump loses this upcoming election, but she is understandably trying to shore up some support she may need in 2028 from the Trump base if she ends up head to head against Kamala in the 2028 General.
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I think her main challenge to any future in the party is the fact that she caved. MAGA won't forgive her for challenging dear leader, plus they will actually see her as "weak" for bending the knee to him at the 11th hour. Remember Trump's whole policy of never admit/never apologize seems like strongman behavior to this group. On the other side, never-Trumpers will just remember her as cowardly and craven due to her decision to support/endorse. Now, it is true that political memory is short (exhibit A is Trump on the ballot after Jan 6th), but I just don't think that Nikki recovers from this situation well.
 
CHAMTRAIN said:
Whatever happens, I'm proud of the campaign Harris ran and have no gripes about anything she did or didn't do. I think she did the best she could possibly do given the circumstances. No major gaffes, solid VP pick, strong debate performance, strong online presence, good messaging.

If she loses it's because of forces outside of her control, I can live with that.
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Agreed 100%. This isn't at all like Hillary's campaign in 2016. She's run a dynamic, energetic, and high-energy campaign from beginning to end, and she's made very few mistakes along the way, imo. Her debate performance was great, most of her television interviews have been strong, Tim Walz has done great, and she's been doing everything possible in terms of clever, eye-catching ads and has a great grassroots get-out-the-vote drive in key states. If she loses I'm sure people will come out of the woodwork and say that she did this or that wrong, but like you I do believe that she has run a great campaign. It's hard to beat a freaking cult that is supported (at least covertly) by a majority of the news media, and which has a candidate who lies about nearly everything and gets away with it because almost no one in the media fact-checks him or really cares.
 
tallheel95 said:
He is remarkable. And his ability to stay CALM during a debate, and actually lower and soften his voice in the beginning of a response to a challenge is very effective.
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Agreed. His manner of responding is very disarming, which fosters a sense of care and respect for whoever he is conversing with. He has a warmth and kindness about him and is sharp as a tack. Dude is a great communicator.
 
altmin said:
Not sure what I am supposed to do here. Fly into NC and lock my parents in a closet so they can't vote? They support bad people and have revealed that at their core they are bad people too. Our relationship is all but permanently broken. I don't see how their being horrible human beings is my fault.
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In my case I just realized that I am not changing anyone's mind and I just can't afford to lose most of my extended family.

That rant sounds like a rant from someone who is young and doesn't yet understand these things.
 
CFordUNC said:
Eh, maybe all of that is true, but look at all of his rallies in literally all of the other places/states he's been going to recently. They have all of the energy, excitement, and attendance of the Dean Dome for a 9 PM November game against Gardner-Webb.
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Attendees look more like hostages than supporters.
 
Kamala Harris will spend all of Monday in Pennsylvania, whose 19 electoral votes offer the largest prize among the states expected to determine the Electoral College outcome. The vice president and Democratic nominee will visit working-class areas including Allentown and end with a late-night Philadelphia rally that includes Lady Gaga and Oprah Winfrey.


Donald Trump plans four rallies in three states, beginning in Raleigh, North Carolina and stopping twice in Pennsylvania with events in Reading and Pittsburgh. The Republican nominee and former president ends his campaign the way he ended the first two, with a late Monday night event in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

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A Furious Last Day Push

“A presidential campaign that has careened through a felony trial, an incumbent president being pushed off the ticket and multiple assassination attempts comes down to a final push across a handful of states on the
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CFordUNC said:


LOLOLOL I once saw a Raleigh Ice Caps game there, and it looked like about the same exact crowd size. Trump is losing North Carolina bigly!
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Trump is going to get slaughtered in Mecklenburg, the Triangle, and Guilford/Forsyth. He will largely dominate rural NC, with the exception of Northeastern NC with large black populations. First step is we need urban turnout to be better than rural turnout. Beyond that, where I'd be looking for bellwethers for which way NC is likely to lean are New Hanover County (slight Dem margin last election, after going roughly 50/45 for Trump in 2016), Cumberland County (60/40 in Biden's favor last election, which was bluer than in 2016) and the red-leaning Charlotte suburbs (not sure how to measure precisely but probably somewhere around 60/40 in Trump's favor in 2020). If Kamala can maintain or grow margins in New Hanover and Cumberland, while winning over white women in those Charlotte suburbs, she's going to be in great shape. But if any of those counties trend redder than in 2020, it's a bad sign for Kamala.
 
nycfan said:
Kamala Harris will spend all of Monday in Pennsylvania, whose 19 electoral votes offer the largest prize among the states expected to determine the Electoral College outcome. The vice president and Democratic nominee will visit working-class areas including Allentown and end with a late-night Philadelphia rally that includes Lady Gaga and Oprah Winfrey.


Donald Trump plans four rallies in three states, beginning in Raleigh, North Carolina and stopping twice in Pennsylvania with events in Reading and Pittsburgh. The Republican nominee and former president ends his campaign the way he ended the first two, with a late Monday night event in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

politicalwire.com

A Furious Last Day Push

“A presidential campaign that has careened through a felony trial, an incumbent president being pushed off the ticket and multiple assassination attempts comes down to a final push across a handful of states on the
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Trump is scheduled to speak in Grand Rapids at 10:30 pm. Good chance Trump arrives at the venue close to midnight.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Agree with you. She’s got a viable path forward if/when Trump loses this upcoming election, but she is understandably trying to shore up some support she may need in 2028 from the Trump base if she ends up head to head against Kamala in the 2028 General.
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She will not garner support from the MAGAs
Kemp will not garner support from the MAGAs

Tucker Carlson would garner support from the MAGAs
J.D. Vance would garner support from the MAGAs
Maybe Josh Hawley ?
Maybe Charlie Kirk ?
Maybe Kristi Noem ?
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
In my case I just realized that I am not changing anyone's mind and I just can't afford to lose most of my extended family.

That rant sounds like a rant from someone who is young and doesn't yet understand these things.
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Yeah, I’m mostly with you, although I do think that the author of that Twitter thread made some valid points. I’m certainly not going to throw away my extended family or friends who vote for Trump, but I also won’t really ever have respect or consideration for their politics, either, moving forward. More of a “love the sinner, hate the sin” mantra.

To be very clear, though, I’m not extending an olive branch to anyone who voted for Trump in 2024. It’s incumbent upon them to attempt to re-integrate themselves into polite society; it is not incumbent upon any of the rest of us to do so for them. We did not have policy or ideological differences in this election. We had differences in basic fucking humanity and human decency. Every single person who voted for Donald Trump crossed that rubicon and should be held responsible for their choices.
 
CFordUNC said:
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That's similar to what I posted recently - these people live to troll liberals and so they love it when Trump "sticks it" to the libs in any way possible. And while anger and fear and bigotry are no doubt part of the mix, underneath that is pure resentment. How dare legal immigrants who don't look like us or talk like us or who don't believe the things we do think they can move to my town and get jobs? How dare white liberals look down on me in my dying small town while they've got a high-paying job and big house in a big city! And on and on. Just pure, embittered resentment. And seeing how upset Dear Leader makes these people (TDS!) makes them so happy.
 
rodoheel said:
Trump is going to get slaughtered in Mecklenburg, the Triangle, and Guilford/Forsyth. He will largely dominate rural NC, with the exception of Northeastern NC with large black populations. First step is we need urban turnout to be better than rural turnout. Beyond that, where I'd be looking for bellwethers for which way NC is likely to lean are New Hanover County (slight Dem margin last election, after going roughly 50/45 for Trump in 2016), Cumberland County (60/40 in Biden's favor last election, which was bluer than in 2016) and the red-leaning Charlotte suburbs (not sure how to measure precisely but probably somewhere around 60/40 in Trump's favor in 2020). If Kamala can maintain or grow margins in New Hanover and Cumberland, while winning over white women in those Charlotte suburbs, she's going to be in great shape. But if any of those counties trend redder than in 2020, it's a bad sign for Kamala.
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Cabarrus is one to watch. It's the next county in the state to turn blue IMO.
Will be interested to see Alamance too - it's changing with the explosion of growth in Mebane and Elon areas starting to change the deep red northern and southern parts.
 
Zoo_View said:
Trump is scheduled to speak in Grand Rapids at 10:30 pm. Good chance Trump arrives at the venue close to midnight.
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I was just driving from Winston-Salem back to Greensboro and they had all of the westbound lanes of I40 shut down on the west side of Greensboro (near the airport) with a bunch of police, highway patrol, etc rolling through at intervals. I assume it was cleared for someone's motorcade but can't figure out whose. Trump's only NC stop today is Raleigh so no reason he should have been near the Greensboro airport. Kamala isn't here today. Walz was in Gastonia/Charlotte yesterday but don't think he was going anywhere else in NC today. Not sure where Vance is; maybe him? Just not sure would be either be going to the Greensboro airport - or maybe somewhere further west of Greensboro (Winston? Asheville?) - that would have merited a miles-long complete clearing of 40.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Cabarrus is one to watch. It's the next county in the state to turn blue IMO.
Will be interested to see Alamance too - it's changing with the explosion of growth in Mebane and Elon areas starting to change the deep red northern and southern parts.
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Cabarrus is definitely one of the key suburban Charlotte counties. Didn't think about Alamance but you may be right. Trump got just 53% there in 2020.
 
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