2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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I don’t see any need to pay attention to election coverage until the polls close tonight. I have no desire to watch breathless coverage of basically nothing from people with no news who are standing in front of polling places all day. They will offer anecdotes of random voters who agreed to talk to them when leaving the polls and will offer nothing of significance. I’d rather reorganize my pantry.
 
It is expected to a certain extent (Trump leads in polling among those who haven’t voted yet) but nobody thinks the red margins will be as large because so many GOP voters have voted early compared to 2020 and mail-in voting has declined significantly in most states that are not primarily mail vote states.

But another complicating factor is substantial changes in registration that no one understands just yet — swing states have seen a surge in GOP and unaffiliated registrations, and we won’t really know what that means until we get election results. It is making it very hard to guess how early voters are voting.
Except for the polls of those who have voted are much stronger than R vs D would indicate (esp in battleground states)
 
In 2020, we were warned that election night would lean to Trump, but because mail-in votes hadn’t been counted yet in some states.
Is the same thing expected this year, or was just that a COVID-era thing?
Dems will still have an edge on mail-in ballots, but Reps have focused more on early and mail voting so it probably won't be as big. Question is whether that will actually make a difference, or will just cannibalize election day R votes.

Pennsylvania is one of the states where mail-in ballots can't be counted until polls close, so the mail in ballots will be counted last, and they will lean Dem overall. The only question is by how much. Registered Ds submitted about 405k more mail ballots than registered Rs, but we don't know how many crossover ballots there will be and there were also hundreds of thousands of independent ballots cast and who knows which direction they'll lean.
 
Random tidbit to provide a small ray of hope, my brother went shrimping in SC this past weekend with his two life-long best friends. They are hardcore republicans and have voted R their entire lives. My brother's plan was to not even bring up politics because he assumed they were voting Trump, he was wrong. Apparently they pulled the lever for Harris and "can't stand what Trump has done to this country". May there be another 5 million like them.
Basically this is the key. Women and disaffected Republicans. Maybe now Puerto Ricans are on our side. Can they outnumber the MAGA, the working class who are feeling inflation, the evangelicals, the bro-verse, the racists?
 
Always heard that Wednesday was one of the worst days of the week. Sounds like time to go into denial and never acknowledge another one. Will that count or is this election centric?
You know...I think that's a personal decision.
 
Right. And it’s not even a tax on all gains. Just making sure billionaires don’t pay less taxes on their new wealth than middle class Americans.


“Under the new proposal, taxpayers with net wealth above $100 million would be required to pay a minimum effective tax rate of 25 percent on an expanded measure of income that includes their unrealized capital gains. Taxpayers would calculate their effective tax rate for the minimum tax and, if it fell below 25 percent, would owe additional taxes to bring their effective rate to 25 percent. Any additional taxes owed because of the minimum tax would be payable over nine years initially, and over five years going forward.“
This article, while explaining the proposal, didn't seem to think it was a good idea...
 
This article, while explaining the proposal, didn't seem to think it was a good idea...
Thanks
It is this organizations Goal to oppose new taxes as far as I know It does give some good info
 
This article, while explaining the proposal, didn't seem to think it was a good idea...
Right. Which is one of the reasons I posted it. When even organizations that don't support her plan are describing it in a way that's completely different from the way Zen and HY are describing it, that seems to add a little credibility in my view. The Tax Foundation's primary objection is not that it's a bad concept to tax some amount of unrealized gains for ultrawealthy individuals. It's that Kamala's proposal is complicated and difficult to administer, and therefore economically inefficient. That may be true, but it doesn't change the conclusion that, according to the vast majority of economic experts, Kamala's plan is immeasurably better than Trump's.
 
It's that Kamala's proposal is complicated and difficult to administer, and therefore economically inefficient.
No doubt it would be complicated-and the tax specialists on the Uber wealthy's payroll would constantly shift strategies to avoid it . It's worth the try to me -because the trend of money piling up in Untaxed places is accelerating and kind of terrifying
 
What kind of psychopath are you?!? Feels more like medical test results day, to me.
Maybe this would've been more apt:

Well I woke up this morning, I got myself a beer
Yeah I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer
The future's uncertain and the end is always near
 
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