2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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I don't want the US president to act like a dictator if that's what makes them look tough. I don't want them friends with dictators, I want them to literally be the opposite.

Compassion, empathy and and willingness to say you might not know the right answer, those are signs of toughness. Not stubbornness, disrespect and doubling down on every answer no matter what.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Logistically it’s not even possible to deport every single illegal immigrant even if he wanted to. So the focus will be on the highest priority ones - the ones who aren’t productive citizens.

There is a hell of a gap between a) deporting every single illegal immigrant and b) the crisis at our southern border under the current administration.
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What is the result of this "crisis" though?

If deer are getting into your yard and eating your entire garden, I can see wanting to keep them out. But the damn deer are getting into the yard, tilling the soil, planting the crops, and then picking the veggies all while cooking them for you.
 
lightbluenc said:
What is the result of this "crisis" though?

If deer are getting into your yard and eating your entire garden, I can see wanting to keep them out. But the damn deer are getting into the yard, tilling the soil, planting the crops, and then picking the veggies all while cooking them for you.
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I think we agree on this. Start by deporting the ones who are eating the garden. There is no need to deport the ones who are living productive lives and helping our country thrive - just make sure they at least pay their fair share while they’re here and using our resources (education, healthcare, etc)
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
See post directly above this one if you want my more detailed thoughts on immigration and tariffs.
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So basically, your argument is that Trump won’t actually do what he says he’ll do re: mass deportations and tariffs. It’s all in the image he projects—he scares our enemies into line.

Yeah, that’s another reason no one here takes you seriously.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I think we agree on this. Start by deporting the ones who are eating the garden. There is no need to deport the ones who are living productive lives and helping our country thrive - just make sure they at least pay their fair share while they’re here and using our resources (education, healthcare, etc)
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This is a perfectly reasonable take. But thats not what Trump and his admin want to do. Do I need to list all the things he says he wants to do for you? Do I know Trump's platform better than a Trump voter?

Undocumented immigrants pay taxes. The put way more into our system than they get out, AND they have a lower crime rate. We should probably be welcoming in way more of them and getting rid of all the assholes we currently have.
 
lightbluenc said:
This is a perfectly reasonable take. But thats not what Trump and his admin want to do. Do I need to list all the things he says he wants to do for you? Do I know Trump's platform better than a Trump voter?

Undocumented immigrants pay taxes. The put way more into our system than they get out, AND they have a lower crime rate. We should probably be welcoming in way more of them and getting rid of all the assholes we currently have.
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Trump will push the envelope, there will be challenges, there will be lawsuits, and like anything else government-related it’ll take forever. The ACLU is already talking about how they’ll mitigate some of Trump’s more concerning impulses in this area.

In other words, Trump will set an anti-illegal immigration tone, and if he’s successful, maybe he’ll get 3 million people deported this time (compared to the 1 million from his last administration and the 300,000 from Biden administration). It will never be all 11 million+ in four years.

Edit: this is starting to get too far down the illegal immigration rabbit hole and this thread is supposed to be about the election itself. Happy to continue this convo in a thread about illegal immigration.
 
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HeelYeah2012 said:
Trump will push the envelope, there will be challenges, there will be lawsuits, and like anything else government-related it’ll take forever. The ACLU is already talking about how they’ll mitigate some of Trump’s more concerning impulses in this area.

In other words, Trump will set an anti-illegal immigration tone, and if he’s successful, maybe he’ll get 3 million people deported this time (compared to the 1 million from his last administration and the 300,000 from Biden administration). It will never be all 11 million+ in four years.
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Wait wait wait. You think The Biden Admin has only deported 300k?

What's your data?

From May 2023 to January 2024, the latest available data, there have been 520,000 returns and removals. The next highest number is the 518,000 returns and removals in fiscal year 2019, under the Trump administration.

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And even then. What benefit do we get as a nation, in deporting 3 million people who are contributing to our society? Why is this such a big issue? If the Venezuelan lady who traveled a thousand miles, came all this way and took your job, maybe you need to work on your resume.

yeah we can continue elsewhere, for sure
 
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When I was a wee one people like me did not have to worry about women or Brown peope taking my G-d given spot in UNC admisssions...
Make America Great again
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I think we agree on this. Start by deporting the ones who are eating the garden. There is no need to deport the ones who are living productive lives and helping our country thrive - just make sure they at least pay their fair share while they’re here and using our resources (education, healthcare, etc)
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No immigrants- legal or otherwise - are just “eating the garden”. None. Zero. Nada. Every single one is working, and working hard I might add. They are paying taxes, paying rent, buying groceries and feeding their families (kids who go to school and perform much better than fat, entitled Maga white kids, and that is a fact)
 
Because the right wing media has painted a picture of thousands of drug dealing, murdering MS-13 gang members pouring across the border daily with no obstacles.

And apparently when they do there is a voucher for a 5 star hotel, free healthcare and a voter registration form waiting for them on this side of the border.

It doesn’t matter that it isn’t true…it’s what they “feel” is happening.
 
Centerpiece said:
No immigrants- legal or otherwise - are just “eating the garden”. None. Zero. Nada. Every single one is working, and working hard I might add. They are paying taxes, paying rent, buying groceries and feeding their families (kids who go to school and perform much better than fat, entitled Maga white kids, and that is a fact)
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Is this an example of a “good faith” or “bad faith” poast?
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Trump will push the envelope, there will be challenges, there will be lawsuits, and like anything else government-related it’ll take forever. The ACLU is already talking about how they’ll mitigate some of Trump’s more concerning impulses in this area.

In other words, Trump will set an anti-illegal immigration tone, and if he’s successful, maybe he’ll get 3 million people deported this time (compared to the 1 million from his last administration and the 300,000 from Biden administration). It will never be all 11 million+ in four years.

Edit: this is starting to get too far down the illegal immigration rabbit hole and this thread is supposed to be about the election itself. Happy to continue this convo in a thread about this illegals immigration.
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You sure you have the right numbers? Looks like Trump deported about 1.5 million migrants in his four years and Biden is on a very similar pace.

www.migrationpolicy.org

Comparing the Biden and Trump Deportation Records

The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...
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