2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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HeelYeah2012 said:
I’ve actually said on the ZZLP many times that I can’t vote for Democrats at the national level because national politics are just different than state or local politics.

I am way more voting “against” generic national Democratic agenda than I am “for” Donald Trump or Tom Tillis or whoever else. I’m not even voting “against” Joe Biden or Kamala Harris specifically. It’s a system I’m voting against, not a candidate.

Cooper/Trump/Tillis was my ticket in 2020 and I will be casting similar tickets for the foreseeable future.
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I have no issue with your views. They are what they are. But like I’ve told some of my acquaintances who are supporting Trump, by making that choice you lose all right to say that morality is important to you. You can’t make the case that Biden (and now Kamala) is an immoral person when you are going to vote for a person who is a convicted felon, had sex with a porn star while cheating on his THIRD wife, who lies incessantly. Just be honest and say the unspoken parts out loud, so we all recognize what you really mean.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I think each of those people probably have their own reason for hating Trump. For some it’s because they truly have a moral objection to him (Kasich, Romney). For others it’s because he swooped in and took the Republican Party by storm when it was “their turn” (Jeb, Liz Cheney). For others, they just enjoy performative theatrics and being the martyr (Kinzinger)
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you and Trump do see the world the same way.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I'm starting to believe and I think I'm about 2 weeks away from being, "Heck yeah, she's got this!"
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I think the last big hurdle is the DNC in two weeks. If that all goes successfully, I think the momentum, energy, excitement, enthusiasm, and participation on the Democratic side will make it her election to lose. In retrospect it may well turn out to be that the very worst thing that could’ve happened to the GOP, happened on June 27.
 
Zoo_View said:
This is going to so piss him off.
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But it’s because of all the entertainers she had at the event. That’s who the crowd was really there to see.

Wait…, what? There WEREN’T any entertainers at this event? Then it must’ve been SHAPIRO who drove the attendance, as the audience must’ve thought he would be upset at Kamala for not picking him and cause a scene.

Wait…, what?? THAT didn’t happen???
 
Ddseddse said:
They are really bad at this...

Wash away my troubles, wash away my pain
With the rain in Shambala
Wash away my sorrow, wash away my shame
With the rain in Shambala

Ah, ooh, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Ah, ooh, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind
On the road to Shambala
Everyone is lucky, everyone is so kind
On the road to Shambala

Yeah, for a campaign that is suddenly all about joy, give them one of the most joyful songs ever written to hang their hat on. Master strategists at work.
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B W Stevenson died way too young.
 
CLT Heel said:
I have no issue with your views. They are what they are. But like I’ve told some of my acquaintances who are supporting Trump, by making that choice you lose all right to say that morality is important to you. You can’t make the case that Biden (and now Kamala) is an immoral person when you are going to vote for a person who is a convicted felon, had sex with a porn star while cheating on his THIRD wife, who lies incessantly. Just be honest and say the unspoken parts out loud, so we all recognize what you really mean.
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I would never try to make the appeal that Trump is a “moral” guy. I think he’s an asshole.

But my vote is also me picking who I think will do the best job, and the only way morality would come into my vote is if I thought one side was moral and there other immoral. I generally find both sides of politicians to be immoral.

I don’t think it’s moral to defend rioters and looters. I don’t think it’s moral to prosecute your political opponents. I don’t think it’s moral to define everything based on race and gender. I don’t think it’s moral to let the fascist/threat to democracy narrative with Trump get so out of control that you said we need to put a bullseye on him and a week later there was an assassination attempt on his life. I don’t think it’s moral to say “you ain’t black if you don’t vote for me”. I don’t think it’s moral to tell children they can choose their gender. I don’t think it’s moral to support equity over equality. I don’t think it’s moral to tell the country the president is fine mentally and keep the charade up until half the country is “shocked” when it’s revealed on national television that he’s a vegetable.

And so on and so forth. Does that answer your question?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I'm starting to believe and I think I'm about 2 weeks away from being, "Heck yeah, she's got this!"
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VP Harris will have it on January 20, 2025 when she says "So help me God." The amount of deceit, trickery, theft, and outright criminal activity that is going to have to be overcome between now and then on behalf of Donald J. Trump will be without precedent in the United States. The question is whether we as a people will stand behind and support the Great American Experiment or will we stand by and let that Experiment be tossed into the dustbin of history?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I'm starting to believe and I think I'm about 2 weeks away from being, "Heck yeah, she's got this!"
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Think we're in a bit of a honeymoon period. Will it drop back down and by how much?

The DNC will be important to watch. Its been stunning to see how fast the DEM machinery has solidified behind Harris. I'd probably be more concerned about what's going outside the DNC than inside: watch for the Palestinian protests. That could get ugly and be a major roadblock.
 
CFordUNC said:
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I loathe Rufo, he's probably done more to damage public ed from elementary school to the college level than any Republican operative over the past couple of years. He's the dude who started the whole "Critical Race Theory" nonsense a couple of years ago, and admitted that he was just using CRT to damage public schools all he could. DeSantis put him in charge of the New College in Florida and he's led the charge in firing most of the faculty or forcing them to leave, gone out of his way to mock students protesting his gutting of the college (sometimes leaving trustee meetings to go out and personally taunt student/staff protestors), and his plan is to turn the New College into a Florida version of the very conservative Hillsdale College in Michigan. Anything that has Rufo melting down and furious is a good thing, imo.
 
It’s kind of funny that Republicans spent all of 2016 and all of 2020, and basically formulated the entire basis behind the Big Lie, measuring electoral probability buy things like rally crowd sizes and enthusiasm. And yet, now that Trump have all of the energy and enthusiasm of a funeral, and all the attendance of a Wake Forest football home game, while Harris has overflow capacity crowds everywhere she goes, not a peep from the right wing!
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
For a guy who has been called a threat to democracy, compared to Hitler, called a fascist, and had a recent assassination attempt against him, I’m ok if he wants to punch back a little and point out how non-democratic the whole process was of removing Biden and inserting Harris, who not a single Democrat voted for in the primaries.
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Nice to see you quoting JV Vance and a slew of other republicans (many of whom were hired by Trump) that have been trying to warn you about Trump and his threat to democracy...

Then again, maybe they just don't know him the way you do.
 
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