2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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HY2012 complaining about us calling Trump a threat to democracy, meanwhile Trump is out here openly publishing QAnon slogans (where we go one, we go all) and saying things like "there is no in between you are either a patriot or a traitor to America." Would love to see him defend that kind of rhetoric.
 
rodoheel said:
HY2012 complaining about us calling Trump a threat to democracy, meanwhile Trump is out here openly publishing QAnon slogans (where we go one, we go all) and saying things like "there is no in between you are either a patriot or a traitor to America." Would love to see him defend that kind of rhetoric.
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It just falls into his delusional stance of Trump won't actually do what he says.
 
"there is no in between you are either a patriot or a traitor to America."

Actually I agree with him about this. I just disagree with him on which side is the patriots and which side is the traitors. (Hint: MAGA are the traitors)
 
so will Trump be making any surprise announcements at his press conference ?

Replacing JV Vance with Mike Flynn ?

Replacing his campaign managers with Laura Loomer and Alex Jones ?
 
CLT Heel said:
I can see his inner circle in that conversation: “mein fuhrer, the Kamabla spelling error turned insult has not landed with the general public, and in fact has caused them to double down on calling it and us WEIRD. We recommend we find another attack to use. Crazy Kamala has continued to NOT trend negatively, so that should be your go-to now. “
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Inner circle : And we love your use of alliteration there.

Trump: I don’t smoke. I have never lit anything. Except maybe the women. I love the women. All ages.
 
farce said:
"there is no in between you are either a patriot or a traitor to America."

Actually I agree with him about this. I just disagree with him on which side is the patriots and which side is the traitors. (Hint: MAGA are the traitors)
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I'm not sure I agree with either of you, but I suppose it depends on what one means by "patriot." When you're talking about 350 million people in a country, I tend to get very nervous about rhetoric like "you're on our side or you're a traitor." I don't think everyone one of the MAGA dingbats who supports Trump is a traitor. Some of them are, but most aren't. They may be deluded, or cruel, or just plain dumb, but that doesn't make them traitors.
 
rodoheel said:
I'm not sure I agree with either of you, but I suppose it depends on what one means by "patriot." When you're talking about 350 million people in a country, I tend to get very nervous about rhetoric like "you're on our side or you're a traitor." I don't think everyone one of the MAGA dingbats who supports Trump is a traitor. Some of them are, but most aren't. They may be deluded, or cruel, or just plain dumb, but that doesn't make them traitors.
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Of course it's a bit hyperbolic, but so was Trump.
 
I read this passage recent in a story about Trump and thought it relevant to our discussion here:

There are a lot of people out there who really want to punish other people, and who will indulge that fantasy until it is big enough to crowd out every other thing in and around them, but there are also people who aspire to something more than that. The former population will tend to think the latter secretly wants the same things they do, and hate them for not admitting it; the latter will hold the former in contempt, not just because of their backwards and shabby aspirations but because of how unappealing—how much smaller and more anxious and more spiteful—those desires have made them. That assessment is easy, less automatic than autonomic. It's the sort of decision that gets made in the same part of your brain that tells you not to eat a hot dog you see lying on the sidewalk

I think this well frames the election challenge for Democrats this cycle: there are many people who fall into the "latter" group described above who have traditionally been Republican or independent and have varying levels of concern about particular aspects of the Democrats' platform. But they are generally repulsed by the cruel, swaggering, hyper-online, trolling mindset that's embodied in the Trump campaign. Those people have to believe that whatever their policy disagreements with Democrats, it's better to make common cause with them than to grudgingly support Trump and has band of weirdo sycophants. IMO the future of our country (and maybe the entire world) rests in finding a way to defeat and move past this epidemic of grifting, trolling, blustering fools that Trump has launched so that the serious people can once again turn their attention to doing the actual business of government.
 
farce said:
Of course it's a bit hyperbolic, but so was Trump.
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Well, yeah, but my whole point is that the way to counter that "hyperbole" is to call it out as the dangerous and reductive BS it is, not to say "nuh uh YOU guys are the traitors."
 
rodoheel said:
HY2012 complaining about us calling Trump a threat to democracy, meanwhile Trump is out here openly publishing QAnon slogans (where we go one, we go all) and saying things like "there is no in between you are either a patriot or a traitor to America." Would love to see him defend that kind of rhetoric.
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Well, to be fair, Kamala does cackle, so same thing.
 
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