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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Mulberry Heel said:
The question is will the NY Times actually grill him with tough questions, or just let him off the hook as part of their bosiding, Trump-ain't-so-bad campaign?
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I have a feeling that there are a lot of NYT editorial board members who would like nothing more than to humiliate Vance. They would be coming at him with knives. Much the same way that Vance would dragged if he showed up on this message board.

The folks who actually work at the Times, who would be conducting the interview, have been wanting to put the screws to MAGA for a long, long time. It's hard when the flag-bearer is Trump, because Trump just launches into his word salad and somehow over the years he's managed to define himself as the crazy ignorant motherfucker who people still like. His superpower is that he has no capacity for shame, probably because he has no capacity to fully realize when he is full of shit. But most people are not like that. This is why the MAGA leaders and celebrities are also ignorant. Being Marjorie Taylor Greene would be hard work for any of us, very hard work and probably we couldn't pull it off because the crazy would eventually prove too embarrassing. But MTG makes it work because she doesn't see the crazy. She just thinks that's the way it is.

Anyway, Vance is a particularly juicy target because everyone at the Times knows that he knows better. And if there is lingering concern that going hard after Trump has a bit of a punching down aspect to it (in the sense that Trump shares a worldview with people who didn't attend college, so going after Trump is a bit like going after them), that's not true with Vance at all. You just can't punch down at a Yalie (except in special circumstances, like a trans Yalie). So the editors will line up to grill Vance mercilessly and I don't think there's anything the publisher can do to stop them (even if he wanted). That's especially true because Vance is so unpopular. What conservative is actually going to spend time complaining that Vance was treated too harshly? They will just say Vance was a disaster.

I would think Vance needs to be on his A game, and even then he's going to struggle. Bret Stephens, for instance (the conversative columnist), will grill him on tariffs and isn't going to accept the answer "I think tariffs don't raise prices." Other folks are going to go after him on different points. It will be unpleasant, to say the least.
 
heelinhell said:
Trump equates the economy with the stock price of DJT. Today the price is bouncing around $19/share down from the $66/share close in March

So for Trump the stock market has crashed and the economy sucks
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As selfish and self centered as he is, I wouldn’t doubt that you are right.
 
UNCatTech said:
So, he wants to fuck up the American economy like he has DJT?
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That would be a pretty good debate line for Kamala.

“The company that bears your name — that trades under your initials, DJT — is worth less than 30% of what it was worth at the beginning of this year. And you think Americans should trust you to run the whole economy???”
 
nycfan said:
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Even if it’s under cloak of anonymity, I really hope the Arlington employee who this happened to comes forward with her side of the story. Trump saw that this wasn’t going away, so he’s now moved to the gaslighting stage to say that not only was there never an event, but that he had approval by the families. I would love to hear directly what happened and how it contradicts his story.
 
nycfan said:
Hubris, desperate or crazy like a fox?


“Campaign sources tell Axios that despite having to defend past comments, Sen. JD Vance(R-Ohio) has signed up for a tough conversation with the N.Y. Times' "The Interview" podcast.

Why it matters: It's part of a "come-at-me" media strategy by Vance, who has faced constant questions about "childless cat ladies" and other previous statements about women and parents. …”
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A and B, but definitely not C.
 
4thgenheel said:
the gaslighting here is really staggering even for this crowd.

the army literally issued statements confirming both the physical altercation with a trump staffer pushing an arlington staffer and the fact that the entire event violated arlington cemetery rules and federal law by taking photos and video at Section 60.
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I’m almost positive Watters is a foreign agent. And if not an official one, he’s certainly a useful idiot.
 
4thgenheel said:
the gaslighting here is really staggering even for this crowd.

the army literally issued statements confirming both the physical altercation with a trump staffer pushing an arlington staffer and the fact that the entire event violated arlington cemetery rules and federal law by taking photos and video at Section 60.
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Seems as par for the course as can be from that crowd to me.
 
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