2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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CFordUNC said:
I’m just telling you. All of non-MAGA social media and non-right wing media sources have moved far past whatever non-candidate Joe Biden said on a Zoom interview.
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if Biden's garbage comment was a deliberate troll job that led Trump to waste half a day in the waning hours of the campaign riding around in a garbage truck?
 
hedge said:
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Biden's garbage comment was a deliberate troll job that led Trump to waste half a day in the waning hours of the campaign riding around in a garbage truck?
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I don’t think that was his intent, but it’s really hard to imagine anything that would have been more likely to cause Trump to face plant in the last four days of the campaign.
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CFordUNC said:
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Unfortunately that’s not a gaffe. Most people would be very hard pressed to pin down preferences between “Latino” and “Hispanic.” There’s a ton at play there, including geography, politics, nation of descent, class, assimilation, colorism… on and on.

There’s generally an east coast/west coast divide, just as trump referenced. But it doesn’t surprise me that a pro-trump NM crowd would prefer “Hispanic,” since for many it implies an association with Spain and that colonizing history, and a distancing from the indigenous origins — which is precisely why the term is rejected by the “Latino” crowd. It’s very very nuanced.

But if Harris had asked that at a rally in CA or AZ, the numbers very likely would’ve been flipped.

These concepts are at the heart of the issue of these populations not being monolithic, and needing distinct messaging based on a number of factors I’ve mentioned.
 
duluoz said:
Unfortunately that’s not a gaffe. Most people would be very hard pressed to pin down preferences between “Latino” and “Hispanic.” There’s a ton at play there, including geography, politics, nation of descent, class, assimilation, colorism… on and on.

There’s generally an east coast/west coast divide, just as trump referenced. But it doesn’t surprise me that a pro-trump NM crowd would prefer “Hispanic,” since for many it implies an association with Spain and that colonizing history, and a distancing from the indigenous origins — which is precisely why the term is rejected by the “Latino” crowd. It’s very very nuanced.

But if Harris had asked that at a rally in CA or AZ, the numbers very likely would’ve been flipped.

These concepts are at the heart of the issue of these populations not being monolithic, and needing distinct messaging based on a number of factors I’ve mentioned.
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I lived in NYC for a while and never once heard any non-white person refer to themselves as Hispanic. Not that it matters. For Trump to even know that is more than I would have thought.
 
superrific said:
I lived in NYC for a while and never once heard any non-white person refer to themselves as Hispanic. Not that it matters. For Trump to even know that is more than I would have thought.
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That’s likely because most of the Spanish-speaking population here in NYC very proudly associate with their national heritage, e.g. Dominican or Puerto Rican (aka “Nuyorican” for some). So they don’t want to be lumped into a broader term, strongly preferring those national terms. Same with Mexicans and others.

But these are the two umbrella terms used to refer to disparate Spanish-speaking/Latin American descent groups combined into one. So the point is that if you gave Dominicans or Puerto Ricans here a choice on an official form of only Latino or Hispanic, they’d almost all take Hispanic. On the west coast, more Mexicans (for example) would choose Latino.

As for trump, he was briefed by someone in the campaign who was aware there are nuances. But they clearly don’t have a firm grasp of those nuances. In fairness, most don’t.
 
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