2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Trump literally called Democrats garbage multiple times throughout the summer and early fall, and THEN changed it to an even worse message and called them the enemies from within.

IMAGINE how much trumpers would piss and moan if Harris called maga her enemies. They would lose their shit for daaaaays.
 
lawtig02 said:
Let me just elaborate on this a tiny bit for HY's benefit. Trump has been consistently calling America a "garbage can" for the last two weeks. And at his giant "closing argument" rally in MSG, the first speaker called Puerto Rico a "floating pile of garbage." These things have been heard by, let's say 70% of Americans.

Biden then makes a stupid comment in an obscure interview that's taken out context by right wing media, and that's amplified to, let's say 30% of Americans.

Trump then responds by taking the ENTIRE DAY five days from the election to portray himself as the Captain of American Garbage, including by doing circles on a tarmac hanging out the passenger side of his best friend's ride, trying to holla at his dipshit supporters who somehow think a man who shits on golden toilet seats gives a crap about their lives.

HY, do you not see how this was an absolutely MASSIVE political error??? It won't make a difference because Trump was losing anyway, but holy freaking cow -- this should be written about for centuries in political campaign manuals as Example 1A in how you do NOT want to close a campaign.
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I want to agree with you about this. But I think it's presumptuous to know how the electorate is going to react until five days from now. Trump's garbage stunt SHOULD be a disaster for him. Just like 150 other things from 2015 to the present that SHOULD have been a disaster for him, but many of them somehow weren't. The man was on national TV like 45 days ago saying "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs."

Also, I think it's a little naive to think that Biden's comment only got amplified on right-wing media. it has been all over "mainstream" media too. I'm hopeful that few outside of the MAGA fools who were already voting Trump will care. But certainly not taking a victory lap on that now.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Here is the Google Trends chart comparing the last 24 hours of "Biden Garbage" vs "Puerto Rico Garbage"


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Lol. Nobody's Googling Trump's view on Puerto Rico because it's been all over the national news sources for the last 96 hours. Also known as "crunch time" for the campaigns.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Here is the Google Trends chart comparing the last 24 hours of "Biden Garbage" vs "Puerto Rico Garbage"


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I’m just telling you. All of non-MAGA social media and non-right wing media sources have moved far past whatever non-candidate Joe Biden said on a Zoom interview.

If you think that Biden calling Trump supporters garbage is going to have more of a net positive for Trump than the Trump campaign calling Puerto Ricans garbage is going to have a net negative in a state like Pennsylvania where there are 400,000 Puerto Ricans, we’re definitely gonna have to agree to disagree.
 
rodoheel said:
I want to agree with you about this. But I think it's presumptuous to know how the electorate is going to react until five days from now. Trump's garbage stunt SHOULD be a disaster for him. Just like 150 other things from 2015 to the present that SHOULD have been a disaster for him, but many of them somehow weren't. The man was on national TV like 45 days ago saying "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs."

Also, I think it's a little naive to think that Biden's comment only got amplified on right-wing media. it has been all over "mainstream" media too. I'm hopeful that few outside of the MAGA fools who were already voting Trump will care. But certainly not taking a victory lap on that now.
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I probably buried the lede because I'm so agog at Trump's determination to piss on his own loafers. I don't think any of this matters. Kamala was winning two months ago. She was winning two weeks ago. She was winning two days ago. She's winning today, she'll be winning tomorrow, and she'll win on Tuesday. I truly think this election has been baked for months, and we just need to, and will, do all the work required to bring it home.
 
CFordUNC said:
I’m just telling you. All of non-MAGA social media and non-right wing media sources have moved far past whatever non-candidate Joe Biden said on a Zoom interview.
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Google results are about as bipartisan as we can get, no? Everyone uses Google...

I agree that Trump in the garbage truck has now surpassed both a) Biden's comment, and b) comedian's Puerto Rico comment at Trump's rally. But I think what I shared makes it pretty clear that Biden's garbage comment is still drawing more clicks/search results than the comedian's Puerto Rico garbage comment.

The thing about Trump in the garbage truck is that both sides are talking about it, whereas only the right was talking about Biden garbage comment and only the left was talking about Puerto Rico garbage comment.
 
lawtig02 said:
I have the utmost respect for sanitation workers. And in theory, I agree with you that it would be fun to take a ride on a truck, although I'd rather be standing on the back, tbh. But I refuse to let Trump's supporters off the hook for this. You may be right it's not a big deal to them at this point. But this is the man they want to hold the nuclear codes, to stand face-to-face with Putin and Xi, to lead the response to natural disasters. How can they possibly take this man seriously??? I really don't understand it. He's been a joke his entire life. He's becoming a parody of a joke as he nears the end of his life.
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The thing is, i'm not sure they really take him seriously.

I think a lot of his supporters have fully bought into the idea that the government doesn't do very much that is actually worthwhile. And so I think many of them know that he's a joke, but they're ok because with Trump they're in on the joke. If the whole thing is a farce, then why not put a clown in charge. And especially a clown who hate the same folks you hate and make fun of the same folks you make fun of and, occasionally, he does something they actually like (abortion)

Trump being a troll is one of a feature to his base, not a bug.
 
CFordUNC said:
I’m just telling you. All of non-MAGA social media and non-right wing media sources have moved far past whatever non-candidate Joe Biden said on a Zoom interview.

If you think that Biden calling Trump supporters garbage is going to have more of a net positive for Trump than the Trump campaign calling Puerto Ricans garbage is going to have a net negative in a state like Pennsylvania where there are 400,000 Puerto Ricans, we’re definitely gonna have to agree to disagree.
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We can agree to disagree then - nothing bad about that! The difference, in my estimation, for why the Biden comment is still creating so many waves while the Puerto Rico comment has mostly been forgotten is because things said by the sitting POTUS just reach a much wider audience than things said by a comedian I'd never heard of who was one of the opening acts at a Trump rally.

Plus, all the Trump folks have embraced being called "deplorables" before by Hillary - so Biden's comment was perhaps a minor little jumpstart to remind some of those people what the Democrats think about them.
 
SnoopRob said:
The thing is, i'm not sure they really take him seriously.

I think a lot of his supporters have fully bought into the idea that the government doesn't do very much that is actually worthwhile. And so I think many of them know that he's a joke, but they're ok because with Trump they're in on the joke. If the whole thing is a farce, then why not put a clown in charge. And especially a clown who hate the same folks you hate and make fun of the same folks you make fun of and, occasionally, he does something they actually like (abortion)

Trump being a troll is one of a feature to his base, not a bug.
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Good points, and for a response, I'll kick this one to HeelYeah.
 
SnoopRob said:
The thing is, i'm not sure they really take him seriously.

I think a lot of his supporters have fully bought into the idea that the government doesn't do very much that is actually worthwhile. And so I think many of them know that he's a joke, but they're ok because with Trump they're in on the joke. If the whole thing is a farce, then why not put a clown in charge. And especially a clown who hate the same folks you hate and make fun of the same folks you make fun of and, occasionally, he does something they actually like (abortion)

Trump being a troll is one of a feature to his base, not a bug.
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Yeah I mean if you polled Trump supporters on insane things like "should the department of education be abolished tomorrow" and "do you support zero income taxes" and "do you hope Elon Musk fires 80% of government employees" there would probably be majority support for all of them. Many MAGAs are deeply unserious people who do not know how most things work and do not care to learn, so they have no comprehension whatsoever of the earth-shaking, real-world consequences these sorts of things would have. They think it would be a fun little adventure for the federal government to collapse because they think it means they would get to keep more of their paycheck and not have to fill out a few forms that they find to be an inconvenience.

To paraphrase what someone said on Twitter today: rarely, if ever, has there been such a disconnect between what a campaign will do and what its supporters believe it will do.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
No it’s not remotely bigger than the Puerto Rico story. In fact, Biden’s gaffe has only further illuminated the racism that took place at Trump’s MSG rally.

I know you WISH the Biden gaffe was a bigger story, but it is not. Two days later, and the only place it’s still relevant is in the diseased minds of the MAGA garbage that need something to feel aggrieved over.

Nobody else gives a shit. And your icon, Donald Trump guaranteed that by one-upping Biden less than 24 hours later by calling Democrats “scumbags.”
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The place to look for the PR story is Spanish language media. I don't speak Spanish so I can't really go out there myself, but I'm positive that the story has not died down there. And the outrage there is genuine, not phony. It will move votes. How many? That's one of the mysteries. But it will move more votes than Biden's nothingburger comment.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
We can agree to disagree then - nothing bad about that! The difference, in my estimation, for why the Biden comment is still creating so many waves while the Puerto Rico comment has mostly been forgotten is because things said by the sitting POTUS just reach a much wider audience than things said by a comedian I'd never heard of who was one of the opening acts at a Trump rally.

Plus, all the Trump folks have embraced being called "deplorables" before by Hillary - so Biden's comment was perhaps a minor little jumpstart to remind some of those people what the Democrats think about them.
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We'll see how much "the Puerto Rico comment has mostly been forgotten" about tonight at the Las Vegas rally I suspect.
 
lawtig02 said:
Good points, and for a response, I'll kick this one to HeelYeah.
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Trump being a troll is absolutely a feature to his base, not a bug. I agree with that. And in the final days of the election, it's really about rallying the base and not trying to change people's minds - so yes, he comes out in a garbage truck on the way to his rally in Wisconsin and says "How do you like my garbage truck? This truck is honor of Kamala and Joe Biden"
 
I mean Trump literally has already done this. Did Dems get bent out of shape when he said it first? Hell no we aren't a bunch of babies? Then he called Dems the enemy, which IS something to get pissed about.

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HeelYeah2012 said:
Trump being a troll is absolutely a feature to his base, not a bug. I agree with that. And in the final days of the election, it's really about rallying the base and not trying to change people's minds - so yes, he comes out in a garbage truck on the way to his rally in Wisconsin and says "How do you like my garbage truck? This truck is honor of Kamala and Joe Biden"
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Then he should have put Kamala Harris' name on the side, not his own name, jesus they are stupid :ROFLMAO:

It made no sense at all
 
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