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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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If Harris wins, the Pubs best chance in ‘28 is probably Kemp or Youngkin. It won’t be Haley.
I would run Hogan to recapture the moderates. You will get the deplorables with the magic R anyway. Getting him out of the primary is the hard part.
 
MAGA calling their low propensity bro brethren off the couch



What is the evil distraction? Is someone providing a free 24-hours of porn access tomorrow?
 










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FTR, I think that the self-proclaimed ”moderate free-thinking conservatives” are much more to blame than liberals, but I get the gist of this thread.

I understand what’s he’s saying but don’t really agree.

From my experience you aren’t changing these people’s minds.

You could just cut them out of your life but that doesn’t change anything either.

I will not talk politics with MAGAs. I used to try. There are few things less enjoyable.
 










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FTR, I think that the self-proclaimed ”moderate free-thinking conservatives” are much more to blame than liberals, but I get the gist of this thread.

Certainly some truth in his screed, while concurrently sounding like a hot-take from someone who's garnered a large following through a lot of hot-takes. Also a lot of circular-firing-squad type behavior with a dose of "every revolution turns on itself".
 










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FTR, I think that the self-proclaimed ”moderate free-thinking conservatives” are much more to blame than liberals, but I get the gist of this thread.

I have said since the beginning that the core of the MAGA movement was all about racism, bigotry and Christian nationalism. I'm not making excuses for anyone, either. I have stopped talking to friends I have had for years over it, and family members I try to avoid if possible because of it.
 
I understand what’s he’s saying but don’t really agree.

From my experience you aren’t changing these people’s minds.

You could just cut them out of your life but that doesn’t change anything either.

I will not talk politics with MAGAs. I used to try. There are few things less enjoyable.
What the twitterer fails to acknowledge, likely knowingly, is that seeking of more and more extreme content outlets is the behavior you see from people with a fixed view. People don't listen to Charlie Kirk and Candice Owens because they speak truth - these folks are some distribution of ideologue, grifter, and sociopath - they listen because they confirm extremely durable priors.

Now, are those views 100% durable? No. What is 100% durable? However, these folks (the alluded to maga friends and family of those dastardly white liberals (DWL)) are openly hostile to countervailing arguments, arguments the DWL often backs with a plethora of data. In fact, countervailing arguments often further ingrain priors (a studied phenomenon) and create distance between DWL and maga. That shit wears out the mean DWL, so they do a little ROI calculation and realize it's time to move on. Most DWL, with a maga milieu, that I know (a lot) are beaten down by the expectation to change the minds of their doddering meemaw, papa, parents, uncles, etc. Why? BECAUSE THEY'VE TRIED - A LOT.

FWIW, in a reread of the above, I realized it could come off as a self defense. FTR, I grew up in the maga garden prior to and amidst the vile sprouts of "contract with america" and walked amongst the pre-flowering invasiveness of the Tea Party. Since maga, I've been detached from vile conservatism (except distant grandparents), except amongst the numerous neo-nazis, white supremacists, and aggrieved rural whites I encounter for work. So maybe, just maybe I have it all wrong and the DWL has a profound influence over loved ones who listen to Dennis Prager and RSBN (i.e. RT), but I doubt it. I have encountered a lot of well-meaning and empathetic DWLs that have tried and tried, only to come out on the other end with cynicism, exhaustion, and an ROI calculation that says "do the opposite of what Chris Evans is trying to shame me to do. BECAUSE I'VE FUCKING TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED!"
 
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