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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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From the Wall Street journals What's News podcast.

As far as reasons to vote for Trump is concerned, this is a new one.

Liz Essley Whyte: Yeah, that's right. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. kind of coined a new slogan for what his movement represents and it's Make America Healthy Again. And then when I was reporting this, there are a lot of people with similar stories of how they got to supporting Make America Healthy Again. One of them that I think typified the people I talked to was Ashley Taylor. She as a teenager had some really bad back problems and the interventions that doctors recommended actually ended up making her worse. She had a surgery that she was just reeling in pain from and she finally just decided to get away from their recommendations, and turn to acupuncture, and kind of positive thinking and yoga, and that helped turn her pain around. So then during the pandemic, she was again drawn to information from non-traditional sources and she listened to Kennedy, and she read part of his book. And by the time this campaign was in full swing, she was listening to a lot of his messages on food and drugs, and how those things had been co-opted by Big Pharma. And she really agreed with them and she ended up deciding to cast her vote for Trump, because of that in part.

Luke Vargas: And Liz, whether it's people like Ashley or more broadly the two cohorts I was describing earlier, there is something unique here politically, right? It's not just Democrats or Republicans we're talking about, I noticed neither of those words actually came up in the article that you wrote. This is a group of people that straddles traditional political boundaries.

Liz Essley Whyte: Yeah, that's right. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. kind of coined a new slogan for what his movement represents and it's Make America Healthy Again. And then when I was reporting this, there are a lot of people with similar stories of how they got to supporting Make America Healthy Again. One of them that I think typified the people I talked to was Ashley Taylor. She as a teenager had some really bad back problems and the interventions that doctors recommended actually ended up making her worse. She had a surgery that she was just reeling in pain from and she finally just decided to get away from their recommendations, and turn to acupuncture, and kind of positive thinking and yoga, and that helped turn her pain around. So then during the pandemic, she was again drawn to information from non-traditional sources and she listened to Kennedy, and she read part of his book. And by the time this campaign was in full swing, she was listening to a lot of his messages on food and drugs, and how those things had been co-opted by Big Pharma. And she really agreed with them and she ended up deciding to cast her vote for Trump, because of that in part.

 
SnoopRob said:
Grift and greed...in the Republican Party?!?

I am so shocked I will need to take the rest of the day to recover.
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Trump features Jill Biden in new ad for fragrance: 'Enemies can't resist'

President-elect Donald Trump has released a new fragrance line for men and women to commemorate his historic election victory, and he found an unwitting model to help sell it.

An online ad for the fragrance features a viral photo of Trump and Jill Biden, with the first lady seemingly smiling at him at the reopening ceremony of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris on Saturday.

"Here are my new Trump Perfumes & Colognes! I call them Fight, Fight, Fight, because they represent us WINNING," Trump wrote in a post on his social media platform, Truth Social.

"A fragrance your enemies can't resist," reads the tagline.

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Trump features Jill Biden in new ad for fragrance: 'Enemies can't resist'

President-elect Donald Trump announced on his Truth Social account that he has released men and women's fragrances for purchase ahead of the holiday season.
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Centerpiece said:
On November 5 we will find out just how strong we are. We will each choose on which side of the historical ledger to record our names. On the one hand, we can stand with those throughout our history who maintained that some people were better than others and had the right to rule; on the other, we can list our names on the side of those from our past who defended democracy and, by doing so, guarantee that American democracy reaches into the future.

I have had hope in these dark days because I look around at the extraordinary movement that has built in this country over the past several years, and it looks to me like the revolution of the 1850s that gave America a new birth of freedom.

As always, the outcome is in our hands.

“Fellow-citizens,” Lincoln reminded his colleagues, “we cannot escape history. We…will be remembered in spite of ourselves.”

~ Dr. Heather Cox Richardson
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I was listening to a political podcast where Heather Cox Richardson was being interviewed about the 2024 election. Fairly early on, the host may reference to her being on the left. This was her response, which I thought was interesting:

“Well, first of all, let’s go back to the idea that you and I are on the left. I won’t speak for you, but I am not on the left and I am not on the right. I am a liberal and a liberal means that I want to use the government in such a way that it regulates business, protect basic, social safety, promotes infrastructure and protect civil rights.

Those things are not on the left or on the right. If you are literally on the left or on the right, you are interested in tearing down that liberal government because, on the right, you believe that democracy is an illusion, that in fact, some people are better than others and have the right to rule over the masses.

If you are on the left, you want to tear down that liberal system because you believe that it is so corrupted by racism and sexism it has always been poisoned, and it can never be used to balance a society.

So I, and I think a lot of people who vote Republican are not on the left or the right. We are liberals. We are centrists. We believe in protecting American democracy…..”
 
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ZenMode said:
I was listening to a political podcast where Heather Cox Richardson was being interviewed about the 2024 election. Fairly early on, the host may reference to her being on the left. This was her response, which I thought was interesting:

“Well, first of all, let’s go back to the idea that you and I are on the left. I won’t speak for you, but I am not on the left and I am not on the right. I am in that I want to use in such a way that it regulates business, protect basic, social safety, promotes infrastructure and protect civil rights.

Those things are not on the left or on the right. If you are literally on the left or on the right, you are interested in tearing down that liberal government because, on the right, you believe that democracy is an illusion, that in fact, some people are better than others and have the right to rule over the masses.

If you are on the left, you want to tear down that liberal system because you believe that it is so corrupted by racism and sexism it has always been poisoned, and it can never be used to balance a society.

So I, and I think a lot of people who vote Republican are not on the left or the right. We are liberals. We are centrists. We believe in protecting American democracy…..”
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Do you have a link? I would like to listen.
 
ZenMode said:
Publicly maybe...

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Why are you following an account of a guy who made a "documentary" about Fauci and the World Death Organization?

No wonder you are so misinformed about everything. You are mainlining right-wing propaganda. "Independent" voter my ass.
 
superrific said:
Carville has become an old grumpy grandpa. What he said there is unacceptable and beyond the pale. No decency. He can make his point by not denigrating Kamala as a 7th string quarterback. He doesn't think she was the best candidate? Fine. But this is just not appropriate.
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Agree. When Kamala was at her best -- in the first few days after she took over and in the debate -- she was REALLY good. In hindsight, her campaign strategy was deeply flawed. A candidate starting the 400m with a 20 second handicap can't afford ANY flaws, much less the major ones that plagued her campaign. But Kamala herself is a good person and a reasonably good politician, and she does not deserve to be shat upon by once-rans in the Democratic Party. She won't be a viable contender for president in the future, but she can be an important contributor to the future of the party.
 
superrific said:
Carville has become an old grumpy grandpa. What he said there is unacceptable and beyond the pale. No decency. He can make his point by not denigrating Kamala as a 7th string quarterback. He doesn't think she was the best candidate? Fine. But this is just not appropriate.
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I don't disagree, but I get a kick out of watching that old codger scream at the clouds.
 
lawtig02 said:
Agree. When Kamala was at her best -- in the first few days after she took over and in the debate -- she was REALLY good. In hindsight, her campaign strategy was deeply flawed. A candidate starting the 400m with a 20 second handicap can't afford ANY flaws, much less the major ones that plagued her campaign. But Kamala herself is a good person and a reasonably good politician, and she does not deserve to be shat upon by once-rans in the Democratic Party. She won't be a viable contender for president in the future, but she can be an important contributor to the future of the party.
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I mean, did Carville forget how rocking the DNC was? The enthusiasm in the Kamala campaign and among the Dem base was unreal. The volunteer efforts were amazing.

What we saw was the limit of the "ground game." And maybe there needs to be some re-strategizing of what ground games are supposed to accomplish (it was always a fair point that knocking five times on the door of someone who is 90% likely to vote isn't maybe the greatest use of resources, though if it's all volunteer . . . ). But the candidate was not the problem, except insofar as she's a black woman.
 
superrific said:
Why are you following an account of a guy who made a "documentary" about Fauci and the World Death Organization?

No wonder you are so misinformed about everything. You are mainlining right-wing propaganda. "Independent" voter my ass.
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99% of the Tweets that I see are from people I don't follow. I actually open Twitter about twice a week. Unless you believe that video of Carville is a fake, why does the source matter?

Also, why are you even worrying about Carville and Harris' lost when "we've got Elon Musk wilding through the US payment system, making ridiculous accusations that USAID created Covid"?
 
superrific said:
I mean, did Carville forget how rocking the DNC was? The enthusiasm in the Kamala campaign and among the Dem base was unreal. The volunteer efforts were amazing.

What we saw was the limit of the "ground game." And maybe there needs to be some re-strategizing of what ground games are supposed to accomplish (it was always a fair point that knocking five times on the door of someone who is 90% likely to vote isn't maybe the greatest use of resources, though if it's all volunteer . . . ). But the candidate was not the problem, except insofar as she's a black woman.
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Agree. The enthusiasm for the campaign was great. Probably the best since 2008. There are a million lessons to be learned from this campaign, but as it relates to this particular issue --

1. You never want to be stepping in at 11:30pm for an unpopular incumbent who has just embarrassed himself on global TV.

2. And you REALLY don't want to be doing that if you were in his administration.

3. Traditional ground games are irrelevant. Nobody is motivated by someone knocking on their door. It's all about social media and controlling the broader media narrative.

4. There is no such thing as too much communication. Volume (in the sense of both amount and loudness) is WAY more important than substance. If you say a million things a day, you get attention, but nobody has time to focus on the stupid things you said amidst the rest of it. If you're not saying something that gets noticed at least once every hour, you're falling way behind.

5. Going high only works if you use it as a contrast to how abso-fucking-lutely low your opponent is.
 
ZenMode said:
99% of the Tweets that I see are for people I don't follow. I actually open Twitter about twice a week. Unless you believe that video of Carville is a fake, why does the source matter?

Also, why are you even worrying about Carville and Harris' lost when "we've got Elon Musk wilding through the US payment system, making ridiculous accusations that USAID created Covid"?
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The source doesn't matter re: this story. The source explains why you have such bizarre and misinformed views. Twitter is feeing you that shit probably because it knows you gobble it up. You digest it, and then poop it out here.
 
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