2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Zoo_View said:
I have a bigger problem with the “wink-and-nod” Trump voters than the crazed MAGAts.

The “wink-and-nod” voters (see HY2012) know better. They’re willing to vote Trump for (1) tax cuts; (2) no tax increase; (3) right-wing judicial nominations - people who will gut the government (eff the FDA, EPA, CDC, NOAA, NIH, etc.); (4) don’t give a rat’s ass about NATO; (5) what this group cares about aside from their taxes is limited.

So long as their taxes are cut or don’t go up, Trump is fine.
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This x1000. At least the MAGA’s put theirs on display…red hats and all.
 
Zoo_View said:
I have a bigger problem with the “wink-and-nod” Trump voters than the crazed MAGAts.

The “wink-and-nod” voters (see HY2012) know better. They’re willing to vote Trump for (1) tax cuts; (2) no tax increase; (3) right-wing judicial nominations - people who will gut the government (eff the FDA, EPA, CDC, NOAA, NIH, etc.); (4) don’t give a rat’s ass about NATO; (5) what this group cares about aside from their taxes is limited.

So long as their taxes are cut or don’t go up, Trump is fine.
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Yep, a weird marriage of rich folks and racists and bigots.
 
MAGA candidate for Missouri Secretary of State. She lost her Primary tonight.

The tweet isn’t deleted but is limited due to “hateful conduct.” I guess that’s why it can’t be embedded. Click if you wish to find out why.

 
korgguy1971 said:
HY12, serious/in earnest question: after all Trump has done, after all he's been convicted of, after the insults and cruelty and election denialism and inciting an insurrection on January 6th, what is it that still attracts you to voting for him? He's not a good person. Like, he's objectively one of the worst people alive today. What specific policies or agenda items could it possibly be?
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Strongly disagree that he’s one of the worst people alive today.

Simply put, I trust Trump on the economy and on immigration more than I do Harris. Those 2 issues are core issues for me whereas other stuff is more secondary. I’m pro choice and generally pro gun reform, so it’s not like I’m a huge pro-life or 2nd amendment single issue voter. As far as foreign policy, I’m more of an isolationalist in the sense that I think the United States often gets taken advantage of in some of the alliances we are in.

This package of beliefs leads me to vote for Democrats in some races - for instance, the NC governor’s race has nothing to do with immigration (where national Dems are a total disaster) or foreign policy - two issues I side with Republicans on - but it does have a lot to do with abortion (where I’m pro choice) now that Roe has been overturned.
 
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HeelYeah2012 said:
Strongly disagree that he’s one of the worst people alive today.

Simply put, I trust Trump on the economy and on immigration more than I do Harris. Those 2 issues are core issues for me whereas other stuff is more secondary. I’m pro choice and generally pro gun reform, so it’s not like I’m a huge pro-life or 2nd amendment single issue voter. As far as foreign policy, I’m more of an isolationalist in the sense that I think the United States often gets taken advantage of in some of the alliances we are in.

This package of beliefs leads me to vote for Democrats in some races - for instance, the NC governor’s race has nothing to do with immigration (where national Dems are a total disaster) or foreign policy - two issues I side with Republicans on - but it does have a lot to do with abortion (where I’m pro choice) now that Roe has been overturned.
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So, you support Trump’s proposed massive tariffs across all imports and his proposed detention and deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants - even those who have been working here for 3, 5, 10, 15, 20, or more years.

What economic impact will the tariffs and detentions/deportations have?

Will those be good impacts?
 
DougDaBroadcasta said:
As hopeful as I am, and I am hopeful, right now we're in what amounts to a convention bump. Let's talk at the end of August if the momentum is still there. If it is, 45 is done for, barring a news cycle shock.
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I hear you, but after 2016 and how Trump did better than the polls predicted in 2020 I'm not going to feel confident and rest easy until all of the votes are counted and Harris has been declared the winner by the Electoral College and takes the oath of office in January 2025. As we've seen just this year, a single month can seem like a lifetime in modern politics.
 
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HeelYeah2012 said:
Strongly disagree that he’s one of the worst people alive today.

Simply put, I trust Trump on the economy and on immigration more than I do Harris. Those 2 issues are core issues for me whereas other stuff is more secondary. I’m pro choice and generally pro gun reform, so it’s not like I’m a huge pro-life or 2nd amendment single issue voter. As far as foreign policy, I’m more of an isolationalist in the sense that I think the United States often gets taken advantage of in some of the alliances we are in.

This package of beliefs leads me to vote for Democrats in some races - for instance, the NC governor’s race has nothing to do with immigration (where national Dems are a total disaster) or foreign policy - two issues I side with Republicans on - but it does have a lot to do with abortion (where I’m pro choice) now that Roe has been overturned.
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I pointed out why Trump’s policies on the economy and immigration would be harmful to America.

You’ve not responded with any facts or analysis to counter my post.

This is why people don’t take you seriously.
 
Ddseddse said:
I am literally gobsmacked that it hasn’t yet occurred to these buffoons that LITERALLY 50% of the voting public are currently having or at one time had periods.

They really are trying to lose this aren’t they?
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I honestly don't think they can help themselves. For the Religious Right, this is who they are.
 
nycfan said:


Mogadishu? Really?

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Of course the always-happy-to-bosides NY Times would run a story about Shapiro and leftist anti-Semitism. I do think the fact that Shapiro gave a very vigorous personal endorsement of the Harris-Walz ticket today, and that he will energetically campaign for the ticket in PA and elsewhere this fall, will mute most of that criticism or any accusations of anti-Semitism. Well, that and the fact that Harris is married to a Jew. It's just an absurd claim, but that's what the other side is going with, I guess.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
Of course the always-happy-to-bosides NY Times would run a story about Shapiro and leftist anti-Semitism. I do think the fact that Shapiro gave a very vigorous personal endorsement of the Harris-Walz ticket today, and that he will energetically campaign for the ticket in PA and elsewhere this fall, will mute most of that criticism or any accusations of anti-Semitism. Well, that and the fact that Harris is married to a Jew. It's just an absurd claim, but I guess that's the other side is going with, I guess.
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The NY Times will continue to ‘Bo-sides……if ‘Bo-siding means criticizing any Democratic misstep or perceived misstep and ignoring Trump’s dementia.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Trump does ramble, and by no means is he some master on the debate stage. The comparison was him against Joe Biden. Lowest possible bar for him to clear when it comes to mental acuity.
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Ask either of them a policy question. Biden might stutter a few times, and have to take a few seconds to compose himself. It definitely does not always come back as a smooth delivery. However, give that same question to Trump and somehow he will weave in sharks and electric planes and STOLLEN ELECTIONS, and never even address the actual question. So yeah, Trump is dumber and slower than even good ol' Sleepy Joe.
 
Zoo_View said:
So, you support Trump’s proposed massive tariffs across all imports and his proposed detention and deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants - even those who have been working here for 3, 5, 10, 15, 20, or more years.

What economic impact will the tariffs and detentions/deportations have?

Will those be good impacts?
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Trump goes further on tariffs than I would, as it’s generally the alliances I think we are taken advantage of more so than free trade. The biggest advantage Trump has over Harris on foreign policy is not tariff or trade related, it’s that our enemies view him as a stronger leader they shouldn’t mess with, which helps keep us out of needless wars and keeps the terrorists at bay. The world was a peaceful place during Trump’s last term compared to the chaos we have going on throughout the world now in both the Middle East and Ukraine.

Yes, I definitely support the detention of illegal immigrants in large numbers than we’ve been doing. The Trump administration deported about 1,000,000 people and the Biden administration has deported about 300,000 people. So I think there’s a path to tske this issue about 10x more seriously than Biden/Harris does (and about 3x more seriously than Trump did last time) without deporting all 11 million illegal immigrants or whatever the total number is. The effort should begin with ones who have committed serious crimes and go from there. No real need in my mind to deport a family from Mexico who came here years ago, assimilated into our culture, followed the laws except for the ones they broke when they entered the country illegally, and have created a good life for themselves as productive members of our society. Dealing with those people would be the last priority and the main issue there would be getting them to start paying their fair share in taxes going forward.
 
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