Holy Crap! Amazing he survived. Was your sister in bed at the time?
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She was. I checked her first. She was shaken but not hurt and handling pretty well to only be eight. I told my mom, grabbed a flashlight and checked to see if there was something I needed to do. No bleeding ,no smoke, not my business so we waited for the sheriff and ambulance. It was my senior year in high school and I knew the guy. Had classes with his sister.
Glad she was OK, and has quite a story to tell.
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This is a question that is asked in relation to a lot of circumstances in Eastern NC.
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Warning signs emerge for Trump with independent voters
President Trump is seeing warning signs emerge from independent voters as his approval rating weakens with the key voting bloc.
Trump’s net approval among unaffiliated voters reached its lowest level of his second term on Tuesday, according to an aggregate from Decision Desk HQ (DDHQ), with his disapproval rating surpassing 60 percent for the first time since he took office. This has accompanied a wider decline in his overall approval rating throughout June.
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I’d be dissatisfied, too, if elections get you people like Trump and MAGA in power.
lawtig02
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Yeah, this is not nycfan's fault but that's a bullshit tweet by Cillizza. The question was not what you think about democracy. It was the way democracy is working in your country. You'd have to be a fucking moron to be happy with how democracy is (or more accurately, is not) working in America right now, but that has nothing to do with what people think about democracy as a political construct.
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Saw this being discussed on CNN the other day.
During Obama years it was like 90% of Republicans and 80% of Democrats who responded saying they were proud to be Americans.
Now it’s like 92% of Republicans and 24% of Democrats.
It’s crazy how consistent the Republican number is across presidents and how the patriotism of Democrats seems to sway depending on whether someone they agree with with is in office. Republicans were always more patriotic even under Obama (expected) but the gap was pretty small back then.
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This is super interesting, thanks for sharing. I’ve never realized there was such a happiness gap between the two parties, but it does make sense anecdotally from my experiences.
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Didn't Princeton University about a decade or so ago do a political study in which they stated that the USA was no longer a democracy, but an oligarchy? And that was before Trump even took office.
ETA: I found a link to the study's report, it's from 2014 - Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
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Always find polls about “happiness” super amusing. Like, what the hell does that even mean and how is it even measured? Happiness is, like, the most highly subjective thing in human existence. Let alone trying to measure happiness by freaking political partisanship or party affiliation!
I’m happier than I’ve ever been in my entire life right now. I’ve got a phenomenal wife, two awesome little boys, my absolute dream job, we make a ton of money, just bought a killer cool house in a great neighborhood in Charlotte, and I can basically afford to do or have anything I want within reason. I’m not sure I could feel much happier.
On the flip side, I couldn’t possibly disagree more with the political or ideological direction of the governing political party in power right now. Couldn’t disagree with it more. Can’t stand it. For example, I think that wanting to put brown busboys in cages next to alligators is awful, to be honest.
So how would I be polled, or how would I answer a poll question about happiness? If you asked me if I am generally happy in life, I’d tell you hell fucking yes before you could even finish asking the question. If you asked me if I am generally happy with the political direction of this country right now, I would tell you hell no.
So how do you poll happiness if, for example, I’m a non-affiliated voter who votes Democratic, who can’t stand the majority of the policies of the party in power, who doesn’t like the political direction of our country, but who overall finds immense joy, satisfaction, and overall happiness in life? In other words, someone whose happiness, satisfaction and joy in life is not at all remotely tied to political partisanship.
I’m happier than I’ve ever been in my entire life right now. I’ve got a phenomenal wife, two awesome little boys, my absolute dream job, we make a ton of money, just bought a killer cool house in a great neighborhood in Charlotte, and I can basically afford to do or have anything I want within reason. I’m not sure I could feel much happier.
On the flip side, I couldn’t possibly disagree more with the political or ideological direction of the governing political party in power right now. Couldn’t disagree with it more. Can’t stand it. For example, I think that wanting to put brown busboys in cages next to alligators is awful, to be honest.
So how would I be polled, or how would I answer a poll question about happiness? If you asked me if I am generally happy in life, I’d tell you hell fucking yes before you could even finish asking the question. If you asked me if I am generally happy with the political direction of this country right now, I would tell you hell no.
So how do you poll happiness if, for example, I’m a non-affiliated voter who votes Democratic, who can’t stand the majority of the policies of the party in power, who doesn’t like the political direction of our country, but who overall finds immense joy, satisfaction, and overall happiness in life? In other words, someone whose happiness, satisfaction and joy in life is not at all remotely tied to political partisanship.
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I'd post the polls for Russia, China, and Iran but um the pollsters were executed I think. All those democracy haters will get the ultimate FAFO.
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While there is a correlation between “patriotism” and Republicanism (and a healthy debate on whether patriotism is actually a beneficial thing), this dynamic is way more complicated than you’re suggesting.
National pride is declining in America. And it's splitting by party lines, new Gallup polling shows | The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — Only 36% of Democrats say they're “extremely” or “very” proud to be American, according to a new Gallup poll, reflecting a dramatic
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Also, let’s be real, are we really supposed to believe that conservative are actually happy when they are always screaming and crying and panicking about other people’s genitals and brown people who make minimum wage? That kind of obsessive behavior does not strike me as “happy” but perhaps I’ve been doing ‘happy’ incorrectly!
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Yeah, myself, I’ve always felt like the notion of patriotism is really odd and subjective. Like, I am eternally grateful to have been born in America. I proudly fly an American flag from my front porch because I truly believe in the ideal of the nation for which it stands, and also because I am grateful for the bravery and the sacrifice of every single person that has ever laid down their life or limb in defense of it. But if a pollster asked me if I am proud to be American, I probably say no, because it’s not pride that I have for our country, but rather gratitude. If that same pollster asked me if I feel grateful for America, did the answer is absolutely resoundingly yes. I’m just not someone who can find pride in something that I did not work to accomplish on my own. I did not earn being an American; I was born here (and gratefully so!). So if patriotism is measured in pride, I have little to none. If patriotism is measured in gratitude, I have it in abundance.While there is a correlation between “patriotism” and Republicanism (and a healthy debate on whether patriotism is actually a beneficial thing), this dynamic is way more complicated than you’re suggesting.
National pride is declining in America. And it's splitting by party lines, new Gallup polling shows | The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — Only 36% of Democrats say they're “extremely” or “very” proud to be American, according to a new Gallup poll, reflecting a dramatic
On the other hand, I am proud to be a UNC graduate.
lawtig02
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A lot of it is religiosity. As all of us who grew up in conservative Christianity can attest, you’re taught you need to act like you’re happy, whether you really are or not.
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Yeah, reasonable debate to be had about how beneficial patriotism is for a country, but no real debate about which party is more patriotic in general based on that data. Fascinating to me how Democrats seem to have “elastic” patriotism (to borrow an economics term) while Republicans have more “inelastic” patriotism that sticks no matter which party is in power.While there is a correlation between “patriotism” and Republicanism (and a healthy debate on whether patriotism is actually a beneficial thing), this dynamic is way more complicated than you’re suggesting.
National pride is declining in America. And it's splitting by party lines, new Gallup polling shows | The Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — Only 36% of Democrats say they're “extremely” or “very” proud to be American, according to a new Gallup poll, reflecting a dramatic
lawtig02
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It’s especially interesting because, at least until the current Trump term, Republicans have had a more elastic view of the “right direction/wrong direction” question than Democrats. In other words, Republicans are more likely to swing from right direction under a Republican president to wrong direction under a Democratic president, or vice versa, than are Democrats. So I think the main issue with the “proud of my country” question is more of a wiring thing than an elasticity thing. Republicans are more likely to think it’s virtuous to be “proud” of one’s country than are Democrats. I don’t dispute that at all.