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Healing said:
Yeah, count me out of the non-maga prognostication game called Just-Wait-Until. There is no just wait until with maga. Juan Peron economically decimated Argentina, yet maintained his cult. maga is a values, beliefs, and ego outsourcing psychological phenomenon, grounded in deep, deep insecurities. Maybe Trump bottoms out in the upper 30s, but it ain’t going below that, IMO, and I suspect 40% is the bottom. As the sociopolitical and economic circumstances deteriorate, maga will find numerous reasons it’s the Democratic Party, or disloyal republicans, or the deep state, or, or, or. The behavior is never ending and the firm commitment to finding external loci of control will intensify.
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Also an extreme lack of critical thinking skills. When you can become convinced that (a) the border was “wide open” from January 2021 to January 2024, but not before or after those dates, and (b) people here illegally are all gang members, murderers and rapists, you have profound deficiencies in either your intellectual capacity or your education, or both.
 

CNN Poll: A record share of Americans want the government to get more done. Few trust either party to do it​



“… Americans see Republicans and Democrats as offering vastly contrasting visions of the country. An 81% majority say they see important differences between the two parties, marking an increase from two years ago across political, age and educational lines. Just 18% say the parties are “pretty much the same,” down from 28% in 2023 and roughly one-third in CNN and Gallup polling dating back to 2002.


But even among those who say there are critical differences between the two major parties, a sizable minority say neither reflects their vision across a range of issues: Nearly 20% who see such differences still say neither party reflects their perspective on at least 5 out of 9 issues they were asked about in the poll.

Asked to choose which of the parties they see as the “party that can get things done,” “the party with strong leaders” or the “party of change,” the lion’s share of the public – more than 4 in 10 – say that neither party fits the bill…”
 
nycfan said:

CNN Poll: A record share of Americans want the government to get more done. Few trust either party to do it​



“… Americans see Republicans and Democrats as offering vastly contrasting visions of the country. An 81% majority say they see important differences between the two parties, marking an increase from two years ago across political, age and educational lines. Just 18% say the parties are “pretty much the same,” down from 28% in 2023 and roughly one-third in CNN and Gallup polling dating back to 2002.


But even among those who say there are critical differences between the two major parties, a sizable minority say neither reflects their vision across a range of issues: Nearly 20% who see such differences still say neither party reflects their perspective on at least 5 out of 9 issues they were asked about in the poll.

Asked to choose which of the parties they see as the “party that can get things done,” “the party with strong leaders” or the “party of change,” the lion’s share of the public – more than 4 in 10 – say that neither party fits the bill…”
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“… While neither political party is viewed as especially strong or effective, skepticism weighs particularly heavily on the Democratic Party.

Americans are far more likely to see Republicans than Democrats as the party with strong leaders: 40% say this descriptor applies more to the GOP, with just 16% saying it applies to the Democrats. They’re also more likely to call Republicans the party that can get things done by 36% to 19%, and the party of change, by 32% to 25%.

That’s in large part because of relatively anemic support for Democrats among their own partisans.

GOP-aligned adults are 50 points likelier than Democratic-aligned adults to say their own party has strong leaders, and 36 points likelier to view their party as able to get things done.

True independents, those who don’t lean toward either party, are particularly grim in their views of the parties on these issues: 76% say neither party has strong leaders or can get things done, and 72% that they view neither as the party of change.

While the public as a whole sees the GOP as relatively effective, they also say, 41% to 30%, that it’s better described as the party of extremism, the only attribute tested that fewer than 30% said applied to neither party. Roughly one-sixth of Republican-aligned adults say they view the GOP as representing extremism, compared with roughly one-tenth of Democratic-aligned adults who say the same of their own party.…”
 
nycfan said:
That’s in large part because of relatively anemic support for Democrats among their own partisans.
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This is the result of liberals saying things like "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a dem" and variously similar quotes that we see here on the board.

Talking shit about your own team is rarely a recipe for success. Especially on a message board, where a hundred people could be reading and every time people express negativity about Dems, it goes into the discourse. People see it enough times, they start believing it.
 
I don’t put much stock in polls. The average American is a pretty dim bulb. Asking them to respond to questions in some political poll reminds of the skit on SNL many years ago where Steve Martin was the game show host on “Common Knowledge”
 
With these types of numbers, what exactly are we talking about when we ask only democrats and republicans this question?

“According to the latest estimates, North Carolina has about 8 million citizen-voting-age residents, and as of Sept. 28th, 2024, 7.6 million registered voters. Their partisan affiliation was roughly split between three groups: unaffiliated, Democrat, and Republican, with a slight lead to unaffiliated. Specifically:

  • 2,886,573 or 38% were registered unaffiliated;
  • 2,413,469 or 32% were registered Democrat;
  • 2,285,377 or 30% were registered Republican; and
  • 72,300 or 0.94% were registered to another party.”
Who are North Carolina’s 7.6 million registered voters? (2024) | Carolina Demography
 
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Centerpiece said:
I don’t put much stock in polls. The average American is a pretty dim bulb. Asking them to respond to questions in some political poll reminds of the skit on SNL many years ago where Steve Martin was the game show host on “Common Knowledge”
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not shocking that not much has changed since this skit
 
We’ve all seen the bits on Leno or Letterman where somebody goes out with a microphone and camera to a place like Venice Beach and they stop passers-by and ask similar questions… and the dumbass “average” American says some stupid shit like in the SNL skit.

Let’s face it, the average American is indeed a very dim bulb. And I can guarantee you that a large majority of those dumbasses vote against their own best interests in elections. I enter into evidence, exhibit A, your Honor: the 2024 Presidential election.

The dumbasses that voted for Trump do NOT, I repeat do NOT know what tariffs are or how they work. They think vaccines for CoVid, small pox and measles are hooey; They think Donald Trump is a brilliant businessman, and they think Jan 6, 2021 was a peaceful protest and that Josh Hawley was just jogging down the hall to get some excercise.

Americans, by and large are dim bulbs, and any political polling with weirdly worded questions or surveys cannot be taken seriously. Prove me wrong.
 
I hate this trope about how Democrats don't give a fuck about rural people. The problem is figuring out what they actually want, and whether it can be reasonably delivered

1. We know about Obamacare, right? Dems tried give everyone health care. Red states refused to expand Medicaid. The voters didn't like that -- in fact, in many states, they passed ballot referenda to require the state to accept the Medicaid expansion. But did they vote out the people who did that to them? They did not. Not a single one, if memory serves me correctly.

2. Both Obama and Biden funded green energy manufacturing programs all over the country, including in rural areas. One would have thought the people screaming that they have no jobs and Dems don't care about them might have been appreciative. Instead, they tried to kill the projects. The Gotion battery plant is still in limbo because a bunch of morons think China is going to be using the factory to spy on them.

And Gotion has been fighting back, fighting in court. And Gretchen Whitmer and the Dems have been supportive. But it's probably not going to get built, at this point. I would be surprised if Gotion remains committed to the project after this year. So the people in Upper Big Bend Michigan, wherever that is, will not be manufacturing batteries. They will still be working highway exit fast food and bitching and complaining.

3. Sometimes rural people hear these complaints and interpret them as yet more bias. "You look down on us!" waah. What am I supposed to do with that? I don't look down on them, but I do think they are being hopelessly stupid and I really don't like getting blamed for it.

I don't have much in common with the average rural person, I'd imagine. Isn't that OK? It doesn't mean that I can't help. But I can't help if all of my efforts are thrown back in my face.

I remember back in college when there was a lot of flooding in various parts of the Midwest. I went out more than once to help fill sandbags for makeshift levees. Once, there was some fucking asshole who drove up in a BMW, got out, grabbed a sandbag, wife snapped a photo of the guy holding it, and then they drove away. Complete asshole move. The people there -- mostly blue-collar types -- automatically assumed the person was from the local university and started cursing it out. I was like, "hey, I'm from the local university too and I've been here three times this week!" It made no difference, and I started to feel unwelcome. I could take a couple of jokes about college educated assholes, but the 15th one is really unpleasant. I didn't go back. Probably they thought I didn't care about them. Because one liberal was a dickhead and the meatheads with chips on their shoulders decided to generalize that to everyone.
 
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