Approval/Disapproval Polls

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lawtig02 said:
It’s especially interesting because, at least until the current Trump term, Republicans have had a more elastic view of the “right direction/wrong direction” question than Democrats. In other words, Republicans are more likely to swing from right direction under a Republican president to wrong direction under a Democratic president, or vice versa, than are Democrats. So I think the main issue with the “proud of my country” question is more of a wiring thing than an elasticity thing. Republicans are more likely to think its virtuous to be “proud” of one’s country than are Democrats. I don’t dispute that at all.
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Completely agree. There are entire hard-wirings that correlate strongly along party lines (i.e. America is a racist country, agree or disagree) that would very much explain why one party tends to view it as virtuous to be proud to be an American and the other one not so much.

I think this also ties into the happiness gap a little bit but that’s debatable.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Saw this being discussed on CNN the other day.

During Obama years it was like 90% of Republicans and 80% of Democrats who responded saying they were proud to be Americans.

Now it’s like 92% of Republicans and 24% of Democrats.

It’s crazy how consistent the Republican number is across presidents and how the patriotism of Democrats seems to sway depending on whether someone they agree with with is in office. Republicans were always more patriotic even under Obama (expected) but the gap was pretty small back then.
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The perception that Democrats don't like the country, aren't patriotic and that flag flying is almost exclusively a Republican activity is one of things that hurts the Democratic Party, IMO.
 
^^^^in fact^^^^

My wife, who is only lightly into politics, mostly due to her hatred of Trump, said she wanted to put a sign next to our flag saying we don't support Trump.
 
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ZenMode said:
The perception that Democrats don't like the country, aren't patriotic and that flag flying is almost exclusively a Republican activity is one of things that hurts the Democratic Party, IMO.
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Lol. Nah, ain’t no damn body voting one way or another because of “flag flying” or similar patriotic cosplaying. People vote against Democrats because either 1. they feel that the Democrats aren’t good for their pocket books or their financial bottom line, or 2. think that the Democrats have weird social/cultural stances, or both. Nobody is voting because of theatrical patriotism or lack thereof.
 
The biggest problem with trying to measure patriotism is that a whole lot of folks - probably a majority - aren’t capable of differentiating between patriotism and nationalism and jingoism, much less understanding why all three aren’t positive emotions/perspectives.
 
ZenMode said:
The perception that Democrats don't like the country, aren't patriotic and that flag flying is almost exclusively a Republican activity is one of things that hurts the Democratic Party, IMO.
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I don’t think flag flying matters much, but I do agree the perceptions of “don’t like the country” and “aren’t patriotic” are things that hurt the Democrats on the margins.
 
Agreed, Snoop. I’ve kinda always figured that, for me, things like “patriotism”, religiosity/spirituality, personal wealth/prosperity, etc. are things that I don’t feel the need to broadcast. I know I am grateful/appreciative of my country; I know I have full faith and belief in God and in Jesus Christ; I know that true wealth is silent. I feel totally secure in, for example, letting my ideological and guiding principles for how I’d like to see our country run, and my desire to make our great country even greater for a greater number of people, speak for themselves as my “patriotism” as opposed to beating my chest about it. I figure I let the way that I treat, love, and serve others speak for itself as to my spirituality. And I let my investment brokerage and bank accounts speak to my own personal prosperity as opposed to needing to drive or wear or own or display the biggest, brightest, and flashiest.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Completely agree. There are entire hard-wirings that correlate strongly along party lines (i.e. America is a racist country, agree or disagree) that would very much explain why one party tends to view it as virtuous to be proud to be an American and the other one not so much.
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Racism in America isn't a question of hard-wirings. Y'all both-siders love that shit. If there was any doubt at all that America is a racist country, the last year has put that silly idea to rest. When Reagan judges are writing things like, "this is the most blatant example of racial discrimination I've seen in forty years on the bench" you should take a hint.

As Russell Crowe said in a movie, patriotism is a word that has come to mean "my country right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile."

Patriotism, at its core, is about unthinking in-group bias. Educated people aren't interested in that shit, by and large.
 
CFordUNC said:
Agreed, Snoop. I’ve kinda always figured that, for me, things like “patriotism”, religiosity/spirituality, personal wealth/prosperity, etc. are things that I don’t feel the need to broadcast. I know I am grateful/appreciative of my country; I know I have full faith and belief in God and in Jesus Christ; I know that true wealth is silent. I feel totally secure in, for example, letting my ideological and guiding principles for how I’d like to see our country run, and my desire to make our great country even greater for a greater number of people, speak for themselves as my “patriotism” as opposed to beating my chest about it. I figure I let the way that I treat, love, and serve others speak for itself as to my spirituality. And I let my investment brokerage and bank accounts speak to my own personal prosperity as opposed to needing to drive or wear or own or display the biggest, brightest, and flashiest.
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"But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.
Patrick O'Brien, Master and Commander"
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Saw this being discussed on CNN the other day.

During Obama years it was like 90% of Republicans and 80% of Democrats who responded saying they were proud to be Americans.

Now it’s like 92% of Republicans and 24% of Democrats.

It’s crazy how consistent the Republican number is across presidents and how the patriotism of Democrats seems to sway depending on whether someone they agree with with is in office. Republicans were always more patriotic even under Obama (expected) but the gap was pretty small back then.
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Ds and Rs were both higher than Independents in 2001.

All parties rallied after 9/11. All parties declined in 2020.

Independents have declined every year since 2013.

Maybe Rs are loyal no matter what (they did support a convicted felon for president).
Maybe Ds are proud of our country when we try to do great things (technological, scientific, etc) and try to do good things (PEPFAR, Iran nuclear deal, etc), and not proud of our country when we shit on people.
Maybe Independents have seen our country's decline of empathy and moral high ground that has deteriorated since Rs tried to bring down Obama with lies about his birth, his religion, etc. There was a prominent piece of shit who rose to power as a result.
 
With the new Gallup poll showing Trump's immigration policies approval at 35% how long will it be before Trump tells Noem and Homan to go easy on deportations and say he didn't know anything about these raids and abductions of citizens and non violent brown people who have been here for years and valued by friends, neighbors ,and their communities ?
 
ZenMode said:
^^^^in fact^^^^

My wife, who is only lightly and the politics, mostly due to her hatred of Trump, said she wanted to put a sign next to our flag saying we don't support Trump.
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But then you defended Trump and was able to talk her out of it.
 
ZenMode said:
^^^^in fact^^^^

My wife, who is only lightly into politics, mostly due to her hatred of Trump, said she wanted to put a sign next to our flag saying we don't support Trump.
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Does your wife know you are here hating Trump as a person but defending his policies ? ;)
 
heelinhell said:
With the new Gallup poll showing Trump's immigration policies approval at 35% how long will it be before Trump tells Noem and Homan to go easy on deportations and say he didn't know anything about these raids and abductions of citizens and non violent brown people who have been here for years and valued by friends, neighbors ,and their communities ?
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Not gonna happen. That 35% are the haters. His base. The worst of the deplorable. He already pissed many of them off with the Epstein cover-up. Gotta keep throwing them red meat.
 
BillOfRights said:
Not gonna happen. That 35% are the haters. His base. The worst of the deplorable. He already pissed many of them off with the Epstein cover-up. Gotta keep throwing them red meat.
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Trump is a tv president. I'm thinking he hasn't been pleased with tv covering the jack boots rounding up brown folks willy nilly and protesters confronting them along with the general public beginning to recoil to see the inhumanity of his pogrom
 
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