Approval/Disapproval Polls

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Mulberry Heel said:
I'm not so sure that CNN, ABC, or CBS qualify as "legitimate" news sources anymore, given that they have all folded to Trump like a cheap tent. On MSNBC even Scarborough traveled to Mar-a-Lago and made a preemptive surrender right after the election last year. The WSJ is a right-wing Murdoch property and has been for years, and the WaPo has moved sharply to the right (and shed many of its top reporters) since Bezos made buddy-buddy with Trump last year. And the NY Times has become a relentless bosiding joke, imo. So it is quite possible for him to see little but news that either praises him or at least rarely criticizes him in any substantial way. His press conferences are a true joke, with many right-wing reporters asking him softball, promotional questions that allow him to brag on himself.

I do agree that he's a classic narcissist, and I do think that it's eaten away at him for years that that the people he claims to despise - the dreaded liberal elites - are the very people whose support and respect he's wanted for decades, but can never get because of his loutish and crude behavior and the fact that he's just a shitty human being. And it's also true that he holds most of his MAGA base in contempt and wouldn't be caught dead actually living in or staying for very long in the places where most of his supporters reside. But I do think our "legitimate" news media is rapidly being bought out by right-wingers like Bezos and Musk and is being pushed to the right.
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By legitimate media, I meant media that do not engage in propaganda and lying to the public in reporting what is actually happening day to day.

I was not arguing that the "legit " media are doing their 4th estate duty to be relentless and explicitly make clear the threat to our democracy...far from it 😞
 
BillOfRights said:
npr.org/2017/12/19/572082933/a-single-vote-has-flipped-control-of-virginias-house-of-delegates?renderPlatform=nprone_android&unified=true
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I was talking about presidential elections. It seems basically impossible to ever have a presidential election decided by one vote.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Thats likely true but its also true that no block millions of votes could exist without single individual votes. Your vote is your only civic responsibility in any election. Either you exercise that responsibility in a way that maximizes the weight of it or you do not. That is your choice.
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I take voting seriously. I spend more time on local elections and definitely lean toward conservative candidates, though I did vote for several Democrats to keep MAGA candidates out of office. (D) Adrian Fontes and (D)Mark Kelly being the biggest names you're likely to recognize.
 
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Did Canada just change how we think of Trump’s 2024 election?​

Perhaps Trump’s win wasn’t about Trump at all

🎁 —> https://wapo.st/40PZoCa

Really interesting article seeking some connection for a similar trend in national elections in NYC, Toronto and London of a growing share of non-white voters to more conservative candidates.

TL;dr, the key shared data point seemed to be where these non-white voters get their news and the folks who get their news online rather than on TV tend to have a diet of more cultural issues.
 
nycfan said:

Did Canada just change how we think of Trump’s 2024 election?​

Perhaps Trump’s win wasn’t about Trump at all

🎁 —> https://wapo.st/40PZoCa

Really interesting article seeking some connection for a similar trend in national elections in NYC, Toronto and London of a growing share of non-white voters to more conservative candidates.

TL;dr, the key shared data point seemed to be where these non-white voters get their news and the folks who get their news online rather than on TV tend to have a diet of more cultural issues.
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Can’t get past paywall.
I’m guessing it’s all about mores baked into the various cultures regarding sexuality, gender norms, subservience, male dominance, religious beliefs, handmaidens and the like. You know, old school, biblical ideas about how women should know their place and the women who are ok with that.
Also the woke gender stuff the left has trumpeted, not that there is anything wrong with that on its surface… not to me anyway. But I can see where non-white voters from other societies and cultures take issue with that stuff and they see the Republicans are more in agreement with their line of thinking on those societal issues.

Obviously I could be way off base in terms of what this particular article is speaking to as I can’t read it. I’m just guessing.
 
finesse said:
It just occurred to my meandering mind that The Apprentice might have been the most damaging show to ever air on American TV.
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Of course it was/is - and NBC has already gone on record as regretting they aired it. If not NBC execs themselves, the producers and directors and support staff that help put that show on the air have expressed their chagrin.
 
Centerpiece said:
Of course it was/is - and NBC has already gone on record as regretting they aired it. If not NBC execs themselves, the producers and directors and support staff that help put that show on the air have expressed their chagrin.
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Has Mark Burnett expressed chagrin or regret?
 
Centerpiece said:
Of course it was/is - and NBC has already gone on record as regretting they aired it. If not NBC execs themselves, the producers and directors and support staff that help put that show on the air have expressed their chagrin.
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Ironically, you would think that people who watched that show would be dissuaded from voting for Trump as he came across as such a buffoon on that show.

When he announced he was running for president back in 2015, I thought to myself that The Apprentice was probably enough to make it so no one would take him seriously.
 
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Icky Mettle said:
Ironically, you would think that people who watched that show would be dissuaded from voting for Trump as he came across as such a buffoon on that show.

When he announced he was running for president back in 2015, I thought to myself that the Apprentice was probably enough to make it so no one would take him seriously.
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Same.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Ironically, you would think that people who watched that show would be dissuaded from voting for Trump as he came across as such a buffoon on that show.

When he announced he was running for president back in 2015, I thought to myself that the Apprentice was probably enough to make it so no one would take him seriously.
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When he announced and a few weeks after when, he was polling at 2%, I pegged it as a goof. Who is going to vote for a a guy who had to declare bankruptcy so many times and is running on a campaign based upon his assertion that Obama was not born in the United States ?

Boy was I wrong... I had not watched a single episode of The Apprentice, nor had I watched Fox & Friends daily since 2011
 
Icky Mettle said:
Ironically, you would think that people who watched that show would be dissuaded from voting for Trump as he came across as such a buffoon on that show.

When he announced he was running for president back in 2015, I thought to myself that the Apprentice was probably enough to make it so no one would take him seriously.
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His life story - his public Ed it’d - his personality…

So I thought too.
 
Centerpiece said:
Can’t get past paywall.
I’m guessing it’s all about mores baked into the various cultures regarding sexuality, gender norms, subservience, male dominance, religious beliefs, handmaidens and the like. You know, old school, biblical ideas about how women should know their place and the women who are ok with that.
Also the woke gender stuff the left has trumpeted, not that there is anything wrong with that on its surface… not to me anyway. But I can see where non-white voters from other societies and cultures take issue with that stuff and they see the Republicans are more in agreement with their line of thinking on those societal issues.

Obviously I could be way off base in terms of what this particular article is speaking to as I can’t read it. I’m just guessing.
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Apologies. I got a supposedly Gift link.
 
nycfan said:
Apologies. I got a supposedly Gift link.
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Try this @Centerpiece @nycfan

While I may agree with their conclusions, for me, that was a terribly written piece. Nonsense headline. Meandering "story". It was written like an animated adventure for preteens. They could've probably made a much more convincing argument with half the words. Or maybe that's just me.

Conclusion: People voted based on emotional appeals to their culture (think ideology not ethnicity). Minorities (in the US, UK, and Canada) who are more conservative in their ideology moved toward the conservatives based on culture-war arguments. Not necessarily pro-trump; more anti-woke.

ETA: Except for Bezos, I really like wapo. I really, really like data analysis. I'm fascinated by why people vote like they do. I should be the center of their target market for that piece. All that being said, it was a frustrating read. Maybe I'm just old.
Get off my lawn.
 
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