At least 15 killed in New Orleans attack

[SnoopRob]

As I posted above, if more attacks are planned, is it better to have everyone in a secure area or spread over town?

I guess it depends on how well you can secure the "secure area".

If you can't be fairly certain of securing that area, then putting a lot of folks in a high-profile contained area just creates a target rich environment.

 

[Calheel]

I guess it depends on how well you can secure the "secure area".

If you can't be fairly certain of securing that area, then putting a lot of folks in a high-profile contained area just creates a target rich environment.

Right. And that was my qualifier in the post above. If you don't have enough time to secure the Superdome (including putting up k-rails and other barriers along all the walk ways) then take a day (assuming there is credible intelligence of co-conspirators and not just people scared of their shadows). But if there were the resources to secure the ingress and egress into the Superdome, then this reeks of CYA-ism.

 

[SnoopRob]

Right. And that was my qualifier in the post above. If you don't have enough time to secure the Superdome (including putting up k-rails and other barriers along all the walk ways) then take a day (assuming there is credible intelligence of co-conspirators and not just people scared of their shadows). But if there were the resources to secure the ingress and egress into the Superdome, then this reeks of CYA-ism.

There are other factors than just "time" at play, though, that you have to take into consideration.

You may have the time to reasonably secure the Sugar Bowl from known and predictable issues, but not from the unknown potential threat that this attack raises.

Additionally, securing a major bowl game takes a lot of law enforcement resources that are also probably in high demand following a significant terrorist attack. Even if you can reasonably secure the Sugar Bowl, is it worth the LEO resources cost when you also have a time-sensitive investigative & potential prevention task underway?

Finally, even if you're fairly confident that you can secure the Sugar Bowl and have the LEO resources to allocate, there is still value to taking a small amount of additional time to be very confident given the change created by this terrorist attack. That's not simply CYA'ing, that's taking steps to assure reasonable additional precautions against a late-breaking and potentially significant threat.

 

[bridgetender]

If more attacks are planned, is it better to have everyone in one area that can be secured or all over town?

You're assuming that the area and stadium are secure.

 

[Calheel]

There are other factors than just "time" at play, though, that you have to take into consideration.

You may have the time to reasonably secure the Sugar Bowl from known and predictable issues, but not from the unknown potential threat that this attack raises.

Additionally, securing a major bowl game takes a lot of law enforcement resources that are also probably in high demand following a significant terrorist attack. Even if you can reasonably secure the Sugar Bowl, is it worth the LEO resources cost when you also have a time-sensitive investigative & potential prevention task underway?

Finally, even if you're fairly confident that you can secure the Sugar Bowl and have the LEO resources to allocate, there is still value to taking a small amount of additional time to be very confident given the change created by this terrorist attack. That's not simply CYA'ing, that's taking steps to assure reasonable additional precautions against a late-breaking and potentially significant threat.

But you could make that same argument after any shooting, too. If there were a confederate battle flag, rather than ISIS flag, in the front seat, I don't think they would have postponed the game.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

1. "When I said that the criminals coming in are far worse than the criminals we have in our country, that statement was constantly refuted by Democrats and the Fake News Media, but it turned out to be true. "

NOT TRUE - and the perpetrator was an American citizen from Houston TX

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2. "The crime rate in our country is at a level that nobody has ever seen before."

NOT TRUE - at all

U.S. violent and property crime rates have plunged since 1990s, regardless of data source

www.pewresearch.org

Murders Plunge

We have good news to start your 2025.

www.nytimes.com

Trump lies as easily as he breathes.

And it doesn't matter, as the recent election showed. Many people want to believe that all (or nearly all) immigrants are criminals and terrorists and so on, and the fact that the attacker was born in the USA and is a U.S. citizen won't matter. I was afraid of something like this as soon as heard about it. Trump & Company will run with this story for all its worth in pushing their deport immigrants agenda when they take office later this month. That the facts don't really fit with his claims is nothing more than a minor inconvienience, either to him or to his supporters.

 

[SnoopRob]

But you could make that same argument after any shooting, too. If there were a confederate battle flag, rather than ISIS flag, in the front seat, I don't think they would have postponed the game.

Not every shooting presents the same risk to public safety that a terrorist attack does, you can't compare a terrorist attack to a simple shooting.

As to a different type of flag, that is a hypothetical situation and our answers are likely based on little more than our individual views of the groups and law enforcement. However each of us feels on that hypothetical largely says more about us than it does this situation.

Neither of those, though have anything to do with the idea that in the face of a significant terrorist attack, it's not inherently CYA'ing, or that CYA'ing would be inherently bad, to postpone a large public event by 24 hours to ensure the safety of those who would attend plus the general public.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

But you could make that same argument after any shooting, too. If there were a confederate battle flag, rather than ISIS flag, in the front seat, I don't think they would have postponed the game.

I don't know about that. 15 people died and there may be accomplices on the loose. I have a feeling that the image on the flag wouldn't make much difference. Hard to know though.

 

[SnoopRob]

CNN reporting that law enforcement believes there are other folks involved in the attack, but not releasing anything related to that evidence...

"Evidence of more than one person involved in attack, but investigators not sharing more information, Louisiana representative says"

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/new-orleans-mass-casualty-bourbon-street-01-01-25-hnk#cm5edhvcg0000356n9i5q4ix2

 

[Calheel]

Not every shooting presents the same risk to public safety that a terrorist attack does, you can't compare a terrorist attack to a simple shooting.

As to a different type of flag, that is a hypothetical situation and our answers are likely based on little more than our individual views of the groups and law enforcement. However each of us feels on that hypothetical largely says more about us than it does this situation.

Neither of those, though have anything to do with the idea that in the face of a significant terrorist attack, it's not inherently CYA'ing, or that CYA'ing would be inherently bad, to postpone a large public event by 24 hours to ensure the safety of those who would attend plus the general public.

I'll freely admit that I know nothing about this situation and that, at some level, I have to trust government officials to make the best judgment call they can. So I'll never come down too harshly on officials acting cautiously (similar arguments could have been made during Covid).

But there are significant economic and psychological costs caused by postponing the game -- it is not a harm free decision. I certainly hope that you are right and this is not a repeat of the post 9-11 mentality where people were overreacting to everything.

 

[Ramrouser]

Anyone think the cybertruck explosion in front of Trump’s LV hotel is a mere coincidence?

 

[StoneColdTarHeel]

Wonder how other people were involved if they weren't actually with the guy. Maybe others made the explosives that were found.

 

[nycfan]

Anyone think the cybertruck explosion in front of Trump’s LV hotel is a mere coincidence?

Possibly? Driver died inside. It’s Vegas. Could be the mob. Could be a Canyonero incident. Investigation underway.

 

[StoneColdTarHeel]

Possibly? Driver died inside. It’s Vegas. Could be the mob. Could be a Canyonero incident. Investigation underway.

Could be the crappy car.

 

[nycfan]

Montenegro:



Actually a weird but tragic violent incident that is not terrorism and just a coincidence timing-wise:

“… At least 10 people, including two children, were killed and four others were wounded in a shooting on Wednesday that followed a bar brawl in a western Montenegrin city, officials said. The shooter was on the run.

Police identified the attacker as 45-year-old Aco Martinovic. He killed the owner of the bar in the city of Cetinje, the bar owner’s children and his own family members, said Interior Minister Danilo Saranovic at a news conference. …”

 

[nycfan]

Could be the crappy car.

Yes, that is what I meant by the (admittedly somewhat vague) reference to a Canyonero incident.

 

[nycfan]

“… Among them was 18-year-old Nikyra Dedeaux—a Gulfport, Mississippi native who’d traveled to the Big Easy to ring in 2025. She was set to begin a nursing program in two weeks at Blue Cliff College in her home state.

Dedeaux’s heartbroken mom said she’d warned the teenager not to go out in New Orleans.

“When your parents say don’t go anywhere, please listen to them,” she wrote on Facebook, reported the Clarion Ledger. “This was an act of terrorism and now my baby is gone y’all.”

Also killed was 37-year-old Reggie Hunter, a warehouse manager from the Louisiana capital Baton Rouge. He and his cousin decided “on a whim” to go to Bourbon Street on Tuesday night, reported the Times-Picayune, citing loved ones. Hunter’s cousin survived the attack but was hospitalized with serious injuries. …”

ISIS Flag-Carrying Army Vet Accused of Mowing Down 15 in NOLA

Law enforcement sources have identified the suspect as a 42 year-old Texas resident.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[nycfan]

 

[wmheel1287]

Anyone think the cybertruck explosion in front of Trump’s LV hotel is a mere coincidence?

Why don't you tell us your well formed theory?

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Montenegro:



Actually a weird but tragic violent incident that is not terrorism and just a coincidence timing-wise:

“… At least 10 people, including two children, were killed and four others were wounded in a shooting on Wednesday that followed a bar brawl in a western Montenegrin city, officials said. The shooter was on the run.

Police identified the attacker as 45-year-old Aco Martinovic. He killed the owner of the bar in the city of Cetinje, the bar owner’s children and his own family members, said Interior Minister Danilo Saranovic at a news conference. …”

Germany also had a terror attack last night but it was some Yahoo driving a piece of slowish construction equipment so no one injured except the driver who was killed by police.