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Bigs23 said:
I’m not “very, very, high” on the staff. I do want all those UNC guys to succeed for sure.

As for whether they’ve reflected and done things to get better I don’t know. I’d imagine they have.
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You post as if you are very high on this staff. Which is why I'm asking you what do you see from them that gives you such faith?
 
SnoopRob said:
IC's reporting about NIL and its impact on Carolina Basketball has been muddled, to say the least. They've essentially reported that we've "been competitive" on many offers and that we aren't near the top of CBB in NIL. And they've refused to be nailed down any further than that, even when specifically asked.

I get they can't always tell everything they hear or know and that I'm sure they have sources putting out the info they'd like the public to hear, but I don't think you can reach any clear conclusions about the impact of NIL on recruiting, specifically to particular recruits or generally, based on IC's reporting.

My best guess is that we've not lost many recruits solely due to NIL, but rarely have we won based on NIL, either. The question, though, is if a second bad year for Hubert and the increased pressure to win soon will create an environment where supporters of the basketball program decide to significantly increase NIL to give Hubert the best possible chance to succeed.
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I think it will be the opposite. If things continue to go as they've gone, he's going to lose support and NIL.
 
SnoopRob said:
IC's reporting about NIL and its impact on Carolina Basketball has been muddled, to say the least. They've essentially reported that we've "been competitive" on many offers and that we aren't near the top of CBB in NIL. And they've refused to be nailed down any further than that, even when specifically asked.

I get they can't always tell everything they hear or know and that I'm sure they have sources putting out the info they'd like the public to hear, but I don't think you can reach any clear conclusions about the impact of NIL on recruiting, specifically to particular recruits or generally, based on IC's reporting.

My best guess is that we've not lost many recruits solely due to NIL, but rarely have we won based on NIL, either. The question, though, is if a second bad year for Hubert and the increased pressure to win soon will create an environment where supporters of the basketball program decide to significantly increase NIL to give Hubert the best possible chance to succeed.
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My hunch is that the PTB behind the scenes make a push to level up NIL as much as they can to give Hubert the best possible roster next season, and maybe make it contingent on some structural changes to the way he runs the program (hire GM and different approach to recruiting, maybe some changes to the assistant coaching staff). If we continue to struggle after that next season then it’s almost definitely the end of the line.

I think that’s really the only way to play it if they don’t pull the plug and outright fire him after this season. Holding back NIL money and resources because you don’t believe in him and then making him coach out a lame duck season would be worst case scenario.
 
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donbosco said:
SEC?

And when you say ‘obligations’ do you mean something reality-based?
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We had a system to put our football and basketball players into a bogus major to keep them eligible. I’m not saying all or even most of our guys don’t take academics seriously or that other schools don’t do the same thing to make school as easy as possible for their athletes, but come on, we can’t really throw that stone anymore. In any case, I highly doubt that academic rigor is something that factors into whether or not we get recruits.
 
Welp...I just have to wonder that when Coach Davis tells an AJ Dybantsa that he expects him to go to class, not curse, and generally live up to a standard that Nate Oates couldn't frankly even imagine -- that it makes a difference. And I'm not talking about football. Things have obviously been run differently there all along. Of course enrollment in slides like "Rocks for Jocks" (which I took with L.T. and Paul Davis) has been the rule forever practically everywhere in college athletics. BTW, I've never been fully convinced that the Jay Smith/Mary Willingham saga was as full-blown as some would have folks believe, especially in regard to basketball (no matter what "He Who Shall Not Be Named" might have whined), nevertheless, it stung and as Carolina is wont to do, an overcorrection was made. I reckon that's the good and the bad about having a coach that loves his employer literally as an Alma Mater. As tarnished around the edges as some claim "The Carolina Way" is, I'm a proponent of it and I doubt that I am alone in that sentiment. I understand the desire that Carolina be like all the other schools (despite the fact that I doubt that actually holds water as in, "all the other schools" have some singular way of being) from some but I don't share it. I'm arguing something here that won't ever be proven and realize that obviously...no one on either side of things would ever admit it, short of some kind of confessional memoir, after all. And yes, I also realize that time has left me by the wayside in these things. I won't belabor this point anymore.
 
Bigs23 said:
It was both then. I heard that plenty about Michael Brooker.
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Well at least I was in the right era. Max actually got some PT though, my memory of the practice hotshot was that he barely played, which is why the whole thing could've been a gag. At any rate, Brooker or Melendez would fit that description better than Owens. Gotta admit, I barely remember Brooker, while Melendez always seemed to have that "wait til next year, just you watch" vibe that never came to fruition...
 
finesse said:
Thought that Brooker and Curtis Hunter both got a bit of a bad rap. They both had serious injuries after committing and before joining the team, iirc. Hunter ended up being a decent player and neither of them fully recovered.
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Don't forget the "Next Michael Jordan" Kevin Madden.
 
Peppers49 said:
We had a system to put our football and basketball players into a bogus major to keep them eligible. I’m not saying all or even most of our guys don’t take academics seriously or that other schools don’t do the same thing to make school as easy as possible for their athletes, but come on, we can’t really throw that stone anymore. In any case, I highly doubt that academic rigor is something that factors into whether or not we get recruits.
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we aren't holding the kids to ivy level standards but UNC admissions regularly finds issue with various transcripts from HS and transfer portal BB and FB prospects. that doesn't really happen in the SEC.

nor does it happen with schools like dook thanks to their private status. marvin bagley taking and "passing" a couple of years worth of algebra in a few weeks the summer before his enrollment at dook was something else and not something that we can do at UNC.

we were in pursuit of dalton knecht before last season until admissions totally put the kibosh on his juco transcripts.

now, once we get them on campus there are systems and support in place. i had classes with various athletes. i never saw wayne ellington take a single note during our western civ lecture, lol.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I don't see an contradictions or underselling. They haven't had to replace numerous positions, contributing to a lot of usage yet. Also, given the transfers they've brought in, only three have contributed significantly (in a positive way), in different years. They are now being asked to bring in several, high-usage, positive-impact players. Two things they've yet to do.

Where's the contradiction(s)?
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Saying they haven't had to replace multiple high usage players and using that as a negative against the staff as evidence they cannot

Underselling they returned 2 starters just last season, filled out the roster, and won a bunch of games

They’re going to need more and different types of players next year but all it takes is 1-2 players to really change the dynamic of a team
 
Heelsandeers said:
Saying they haven't had to replace multiple high usage players and using that as a negative against the staff as evidence they cannot

Underselling they returned 2 starters just last season, filled out the roster, and won a bunch of games

They’re going to need more and different types of players next year but all it takes is 1-2 players to really change the dynamic of a team
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No, saying that they haven’t done it yet but haven’t had to try to do it yet is not a negative. How could it possibly be a negative? What is a negative is that they have missed more than they have hit with transfers, three misses for every hit. They are going to have to do two things that they haven’t done yet: bring in several high impact transfers at once.

I still don’t see any contradictions and I have mentioned the three successes (two from last year, one from several years ago), so I don’t see any underselling of their portal work.
 
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4thgenheel said:
we aren't holding the kids to ivy level standards but UNC admissions regularly finds issue with various transcripts from HS and transfer portal BB and FB prospects. that doesn't really happen in the SEC.

nor does it happen with schools like dook thanks to their private status. marvin bagley taking and "passing" a couple of years worth of algebra in a few weeks the summer before his enrollment at dook was something else and not something that we can do at UNC.

we were in pursuit of dalton knecht before last season until admissions totally put the kibosh on his juco transcripts.

now, once we get them on campus there are systems and support in place. i had classes with various athletes. i never saw wayne ellington take a single note during our western civ lecture, lol.
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Fair enough. The high amount of non grad transfers is a relatively new wrinkle and it’s definitely more of a challenge for upperclassmen to get enough credits to transfer over for the move to make sense at certain schools. I know Michigan is notoriously stringent about this, and it wouldn’t surprise me if UNC is particular about it as well.

When it comes strictly to HS recruiting though I’ve just never bought the idea that UNC is one of these schools that has crazy high academic standards for admitting athletes like Stanford for example. Sure, there are kids here or there that UNC would stay away from recruiting because of grades when an Ole Miss or LSU wouldn’t think twice about it, but for the most part, my impression was that if the kid was good enough, we would find a way to make it work.

Maybe some of it has to do with my age and things were different back in the day. It sounds like I was at UNC around the same time you were right before the AFAM scandal broke. Don’t get me wrong, I think that whole thing was incredibly overblown. At the same time though it was basically an open secret that a lot of football and basketball players at that time weren’t at UNC to play school, lol. I was in several elective classes with groups of football and basketball players and it was obvious what was going on.
 
I'm hoping that with the big commitment last night and rumors that Coach Davis is open to having a General Manager for basketball that things are looking up - hopefully this off-season there will be a big boost in NIL so we can grab whatever transfers we need
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
I'm hoping that with the big commitment last night and rumors that Coach Davis is open to having a General Manager for basketball that things are looking up - hopefully this off-season there will be a big boost in NIL so we can grab whatever transfers we need
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Yes, getting the Williams commit was huge and just took the heat under Coach Davis’ office chair down several notches. Next step: getting NIL in line with other schools and hiring a GM to handle all of that mess, I think we should be ready to roll. Even with Hubert still at the helm.
 
Centerpiece said:
Yes, getting the Williams commit was huge and just took the heat under Coach Davis’ office chair down several notches. Next step: getting NIL in line with other schools and hiring a GM to handle all of that mess, I think we should be ready to roll. Even with Hubert still at the helm.
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If they miss the tournament this year and they don't make a significant improvement next season, I don't see how Hubert can stay as the coach.
 
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