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[Bigs23]

You clearly didn't read what I wrote, or simply being obtuse. Maybe try reading before you comment, or stop being obtuse.

Maybe stop trying to convince everyone how much you think you know.

You’re posting as if you know more than the entire coaching staff. You don’t.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Maybe stop trying to convince everyone how much you think you know.

You’re posting as if you know more than the entire coaching staff. You don’t.

By telling you what I am seeing on the court??? How on earth does that say anything at all about knowing the staff? If anything, you, with your declarations of character traits, are asserting that you know the staff.

Feel free to look up the numbers, I could be wrong.

 

[Bigs23]

By telling you what I am seeing on the court??? How on earth does that say anything at all about knowing the staff? If anything, you, with your declarations of character traits, are asserting that you know the staff.

Feel free to look up the numbers, I could be wrong.

What’s your background? Where does your expertise come from?

 

[stankeylegjones]

What’s your background? Where does your expertise come from?

Can you stop with this "what's your background" nonsense? Does it matter if I'm an experience analyst or a person who only watches occasionally? Does it change what I see and point out? No, it doesn't. Because, it's reality, and I'm pointing it out. Sure, having a deeper understanding of the principles will help you to see issues that others might not, but in this case it doesn't even take a profound knowledge of the game to see this. (You could also do yourself a service to listen to the analysts on IC, ACC network, ESPN, etc., imo.) If you disagree with what I'm pointing out, then challenge it with your own ideas and examples. And, for fuck's sake stop with questioning folk's background and expertise as some kind of way of challenging the validity of their comments. It doesn't, and it won't make these issues go away.

 

[BillOfRights]

Can you stop with this "what's your background" nonsense? Does it matter if I'm an experience analyst or a person who only watches occasionally?

Yes, yes it does.

Does it matter if your doctor went to medical school after an undergrad degree in biology, or if he watched Dr Pimple Popper occasionally?

Yes, yes it does.

Most fans don't have an understanding of the scouting reports, the film sessions, the practices, the game plan, the intricacies of the various offensive sets, the specific matchups, the defensive priorities, the analytics, the injuries and illnesses, or the other variables that the coaches do.

So yes, yes it does matter.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Yes, yes it does.

Does it matter if your doctor went to medical school after an undergrad degree in biology, or if he watched Dr Pimple Popper occasionally?

Yes, yes it does.

Most fans don't have an understanding of the scouting reports, the film sessions, the practices, the game plan, the intricacies of the various offensive sets, the specific matchups, the defensive priorities, the analytics, the injuries and illnesses, or the other variables that the coaches do.

So yes, yes it does matter.

Equating the job of a basketball coach with a doctor is a new one for me, I must admit.

Good news is, everyone has access to analyst and coaches who can educate them on those things. Like I said to bigs, if you disagree with what I am saying, then point it out with your reasoning and examples.

 

[Centerpiece]

He was not without issues last year either. We all remember the switching 1-5 on everything, and how poor their defense was. It took him too long to change it up, imo, as it was obviously not working. After finally stopping the switching, their defense improved overnight, and drastically. There was a lot of times of stagnant offense, no one moving off-ball. A lot of 1-1 and two-man game, with the others standing on the 3-pt watching. These issues were covered up a lot by players making tough shots. There were a lot of times in which they were not put into position to get good shots, they had to take bad shots - they just made them more often than they are making the bad shots this year. It's not that he's forgotten how to coach like he was coaching last year, he's doing a lot of the same stuff. It's that this year it's being exposed more than it was last year, because the bad shots aren't falling as much as they did last year.

To address TPins, the difference is, when UNC was running freelance under Coach Williams they were moving and setting screens for each, getting good looks. They weren't standing around watching the player with the ball try to create their own shot. How many times do you recall Coach Williams yell "move?" They also pushed it, a lot, running break and secondary break. As mentioned above, the teams under HD are much more stagnant on offense. There's a lot of standing around, watching someone try to create their own shot. And two-man offense - high screens.

"There was a lot of times of stagnant offense, no one moving off-ball. A lot of 1-1 and two-man game, with the others standing on the 3-pt watching. These issues were covered up a lot by players making tough shots. There were a lot of times in which they were not put into position to get good shots, they had to take bad shots - they just made them more often than they are making the bad shots this year."

... And yet we scored 81.9 ppg last year - good for #19 in the nation - and we won 29 games. Not too shabby offense if you ask me...

 

[Peppers49]

Some of you guys have really lost the plot here lol. You can only criticize if you’re a coach or player that has a full 360 view of what’s happening within the team? That’s just absurd.

 

[Centerpiece]

Ken Pom had UNC’s defense as 8th best in the country last season.

And we had the 19th highest scoring team out of 362 teams.
Dang! #8 on D and #19 on offense? Won 29 games! And people still moaning and groaning about last year?
Now, if you want to b!#ch, complain about the year before that... Or the first semester of the year before that one.
But, complaining about last season is not an intelligent look. Looking at the FACTS at least....

 

[SnoopRob]

Some of you guys have really lost the plot here lol. You can only criticize if you’re a coach or player that has a full 360 view of what’s happening within the team? That’s just absurd.

This is what happens when you run out of ways to defend Hubert’s actual performance.

 

[BillOfRights]

Some of you guys have really lost the plot here lol. You can only criticize if you’re a coach or player that has a full 360 view of what’s happening within the team? That’s just absurd.

Naw, man, this is murica, where you can criticize anyone and anything without having the first clue what you're talking about. Hell, you can get rich doin' it. Rock on, dude!

 

[stankeylegjones]

"There was a lot of times of stagnant offense, no one moving off-ball. A lot of 1-1 and two-man game, with the others standing on the 3-pt watching. These issues were covered up a lot by players making tough shots. There were a lot of times in which they were not put into position to get good shots, they had to take bad shots - they just made them more often than they are making the bad shots this year."

... And yet we scored 81.9 ppg last year - good for #19 in the nation - and we won 29 games. Not too shabby offense if you ask me...

Agreed. Overall, the ppg number was good. Unfortunately, this year's team doesn't have a HI to back folks down and hit turn around jumpers. Or Mondo to grab orebs. For example.

You don't have to agree with me, or even think what I'm saying has any merit at all. However, I'm positive that if you go back and watch the games again from last year, then you'll see several periods of what I described.

 

[stankeylegjones]

This is what happens when you run out of ways to defend Hubert’s actual performance.

What's frustrating is what I'm saying, you're saying, and others are saying, is also being said by folks whose job it is to analyze this stuff. So, in the face of evidence being pushed forward by novices and experts, some folks still refuse to believe it. I just don't get it. No one here dislikes HD and his staff. No one here wants them to fail, matter of fact, everyone here wishes HD/staff won every game. And yet, if you point out issues that you, and others are seeing, you get shouted down, called a hater, and so forth. It's fucking pointless trying to discuss this with folks who are unwilling to even pay attention to the game beyond the score. (And even then, refuse to acknowledge that things are working currently.)

Y'all have fun.

 

[Bigs23]

Some of you guys have really lost the plot here lol. You can only criticize if you’re a coach or player that has a full 360 view of what’s happening within the team? That’s just absurd.

The constant, repetitive criticism is tedious and tiresome.

If I want that I’ll go back to IC.

We get it. A few of you (CF, snoop, stinkleg, yourself) want Hubert to be fired. It’s noted.

Let’s move on to something else.

 

[UNCatTech]

The constant, repetitive criticism is tedious and tiresome.

If I want that I’ll go back to IC.

We get it. A few of you (CF, snoop, stinkleg, yourself) want Hubert to be fired. It’s noted.

Let’s move on to something else.

You know it takes two to keep the conversations going...

 

[Carolina Fever]

What's frustrating is what I'm saying, you're saying, and others are saying, is also being said by folks whose job it is to analyze this stuff. So, in the face of evidence being pushed forward by novices and experts, some folks still refuse to believe it. I just don't get it. No one here dislikes HD and his staff. No one here wants them to fail, matter of fact, everyone here wishes HD/staff won every game. And yet, if you point out issues that you, and others are seeing, you get shouted down, called a hater, and so forth. It's fucking pointless trying to discuss this with folks who are unwilling to even pay attention to the game beyond the score. (And even then, refuse to acknowledge that things are working currently.)

Y'all have fun.

Exactly. I think a couple of folks are just being naive or really aren't that invested into Carolina basketball and are okay thinking everything will turn out fine with Hubert. Maybe it will if they can turn things around, but you can't look at this season and if they end up missing the tournament again and objectively think everything is fine.

 

[duluoz]

This is what happens when you run out of ways to defend Hubert’s actual performance.

Hubert’s “actual performance” includes:

• being 20 mins and a healthy Bacot ankle from a national title
• then a bad underachieving season missing the tournament with major chemistry issues surrounding a key/star player (who at his new, also elite program still has not learned consistent defensive effort nor what constitutes a good shot)
• then a dominant season in the ACC and a Sweet 16 exit in a game down to the wire
• Sprinkle in taking K’s scalp x2, in his final home game and then on the biggest stage in college hoops, and in the history of the rivalry

Then factor in that this season, no matter how much you would like it to be, is not over.

What more “defense” is needed? But you’re the clown who openly accuses Roy of nepotism and claims that HD had no more business taking over than a new HS grad who takes over daddy’s company. All your words, documented.

And you’ve been singing your same tired song since the hiring. So don’t expect anyone to believe that in all your well evidenced disrespect of Roy, HD, and therefore the program, that you’ve ever truly been rooting for HD to succeed. You’ve just been hanging out waiting for an opportunity to take him down, so that you can claim to have been “right.”

Here’s a question. Who are you rooting for on Saturday?

 

[UNCatTech]

Yes, yes it does.

Does it matter if your doctor went to medical school after an undergrad degree in biology, or if he watched Dr Pimple Popper occasionally?

Yes, yes it does.

Most fans don't have an understanding of the scouting reports, the film sessions, the practices, the game plan, the intricacies of the various offensive sets, the specific matchups, the defensive priorities, the analytics, the injuries and illnesses, or the other variables that the coaches do.

So yes, yes it does matter.

First the comparisons to doctors is ridiculous.

I don't disagree with you that with greater knowledge comes greater understanding.

But for the sake of sports conversations, I don't believe it is necessity yo be an expert to have an opinion.

Now, if one claims to be an expert then they need to have that knowledge. If one admits to being a lay person and basing their comments on their level of knowledge and watching the games that is acceptable also.

The caveat is don't claim to be something you are not and when presented with alternative opinions or arguments, be open to listening.

 

[Peppers49]

The constant, repetitive criticism is tedious and tiresome.

If I want that I’ll go back to IC.

We get it. A few of you (CF, snoop, stinkleg, yourself) want Hubert to be fired. It’s noted.

Let’s move on to something else.

This is a thread about the basketball team, and the basketball team is really struggling right now. The result is that whether it’s here or IC or any other UNC forum, you’re inevitably going to see a lot of criticism. If you hate it so much you should probably just avoid UNC basketball discourse in general until things change.

 

[Bigs23]

Agreed. Overall, the ppg number was good. Unfortunately, this year's team doesn't have a HI to back folks down and hit turn around jumpers. Or Mondo to grab orebs. For example.

You don't have to agree with me, or even think what I'm saying has any merit at all. However, I'm positive that if you go back and watch the games again from last year, then you'll see several periods of what I described.

Hubert’s “actual performance” includes:

• being 20 mins and a healthy Bacot ankle from a national title
• then a bad underachieving season missing the tournament with major chemistry issues surrounding a key/star player (who at his new, also elite program still has not learned consistent defensive effort nor what constitutes a good shot)
• then a dominant season in the ACC and a Sweet 16 exit in a game down to the wire
• Sprinkle in taking K’s scalp x2, in his final home game and then on the biggest stage in college hoops, and in the history of the rivalry

Then factor in that this season, no matter how much you would like it to be, is not over.

What more “defense” is needed? But you’re the clown who openly accuses Roy of nepotism and claims that HD had no more business taking over than a new HS grad who takes over daddy’s company. All your words, documented.

And you’ve been singing your same tired song since the hiring. So don’t expect anyone to believe that in all your well evidenced disrespect of Roy, HD, and therefore the program, that you’ve ever truly been rooting for HD to succeed. You’ve just been hanging out waiting for an opportunity to take him down, so that you can claim to have been “right.”

Here’s a question. Who are you rooting for on Saturday?

It’s starting to feel that some of these “fans” are more invested in Hubert failing than UNC succeeding.