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SnoopRob said:
Do you actually read what others type or are you just a bot regurgitating pre-planned talking points?

I've said that I don't think Hubert is a bad coach. He's a decent coach at a school that should never have to settle for decent.

I've also said that the problem with Hubert isn't the ceiling, it's the floor. In his 4 years at Carolina we've been a bubble team 3 of those years, missed the tournament once, and are in serious danger of missing it again this season. We've also been outside the top 25 rankings more weeks than we've been included and for 3 of Hubert's 4 seasons our highest ranking is at the beginning of the season based on prognostication and we then slide out of the rankings once the results of a decent number of games are known. We're well below the historical standards of the program with our performance over the last four years and missing the NCAAT this season should be enough to lead to a coaching change.
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IYO
 
Bigs23 said:
“should be enough to lead to a coaching change.”
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Of course that's an opinion. As is your take that it shouldn't be enough to fire him.

The problem is that you throw the charge of "that's just your opinion" to be able to ignore all the facts you don't like.

It's clear you've stuck your head in the sand when it comes to the performance deficiencies of the team and are simply ignoring the obvious problems because you support Hubert for being a good guy. You apparently care so little about Carolina Basketball that the team can be mediocre as long as the head coach is nice to others.
 
SnoopRob said:
Of course that's an opinion. As is your take that it shouldn't be enough to fire him.

The problem is that you throw the charge of "that's just your opinion" to be able to ignore all the facts you don't like.

It's clear you've stuck your head in the sand when it comes to the performance deficiencies of the team and are simply ignoring the obvious problems because you support Hubert for being a good guy. You apparently care so little about Carolina Basketball that the team can be mediocre as long as the head coach is nice to others.
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It’s not that simple and I think on some level you know that.

The landscape of CBB has changed so dramatically since Hubert took over that’s it’s somewhat useless to compare his results to historical standards.

You’ve attached the decline to the coach I have not.

My hope is that once things normalize and UNC adjusts as an organization Coach Davis will be the one to lead the program forward.

There are very, very few coaches out there that I believe are better equipped to do so. And of those few I’m skeptical that any would leave their current situation.

Which ACC coaches do you see as clearly better than Hubert?
 
finesse said:
Since you don't care about character, K in Durham was a joke and on the verge of being fired at about this stage of his career. Of course, he didn't nearly have the resume at this point Hubert did . There's something to be said about a little patience.
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I never said I didn't care about character. You can be a good person and a good coach, too.
 
Bigs23 said:
It’s not that simple and I think on some level you know that.

The landscape of CBB has changed so dramatically since Hubert took over that’s it’s somewhat useless to compare his results to historical standards.

You’ve attached the decline to the coach I have not.

My hope is that once things normalize and UNC adjusts as an organization Coach Davis will be the one to lead the program forward.

There are very, very few coaches out there that I believe are better equipped to do so. And of those few I’m skeptical that any would leave their current situation.

Which ACC coaches do you see as clearly better than Hubert?
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As far as ACC coaches, it's largely a shit-show out there. We've had so many long-term coaches retire and others fired that almost everyone is new and the ones who aren't are mediocre coaches. But I feel confident that doesn't matter to this discussion as I would almost guarantee that Hubert's replacement wouldn't be a current ACC coach.

I've laid out my reasons why I believe Hubert (barring a major turnaround in this season) has not earned the opportunity to come back next year as coach. But you seemingly want to keep him based on his personality and hope, which is absolutely silly.

Why don't you present 5 basketball coaching traits (not "he's a nice guy" and not random accomplishments like he once won COY) that you believe show Hubert has the skill set to significantly improve the performance of Carolina Basketball?
 
Turd Ferguson said:
I never said I didn't care about character. You can be a good person and a good coach, too.
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Since we've established that under you neither Dean Smith of Coach K would have been kept on, what does that say about your ability to judge good coaching?
 
finesse said:
Since we've established that under you neither Dean Smith of Coach K would have been kept on, what does that say about your ability to judge good coaching?
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This is a silly question as it penalizes someone for admitting they wouldn't have necessarily recognized extreme outlier situations.
 
Bigs23 said:
It’s not that simple and I think on some level you know that.

The landscape of CBB has changed so dramatically since Hubert took over that’s it’s somewhat useless to compare his results to historical standards.

You’ve attached the decline to the coach I have not.

My hope is that once things normalize and UNC adjusts as an organization Coach Davis will be the one to lead the program forward.

There are very, very few coaches out there that I believe are better equipped to do so. And of those few I’m skeptical that any would leave their current situation.

Which ACC coaches do you see as clearly better than Hubert?
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If Hubert were available right now, how many ~top 25 programs would even consider interviewing him?
 
SnoopRob said:
As far as ACC coaches, it's largely a shit-show out there. We've had so many long-term coaches retire and others fired that almost everyone is new and the ones who aren't are mediocre coaches. But I feel confident that doesn't matter to this discussion as I would almost guarantee that Hubert's replacement wouldn't be a current ACC coach.

I've laid out my reasons why I believe Hubert (barring a major turnaround in this season) has not earned the opportunity to come back next year as coach. But you seemingly want to keep him based on his personality and hope, which is absolutely silly.

Why don't you present 5 basketball coaching traits (not "he's a nice guy" and not random accomplishments like he once won COY) that you believe show Hubert has the skill set to significantly improve the performance of Carolina Basketball?
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I don’t profess to know enough about college basketball coaching or the inner workings of a college program to legitimately comment on that aspect of things.
 
SnoopRob said:
This is a silly question as it penalizes someone for admitting they wouldn't have necessarily recognized extreme outlier situations.
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Add Jay Wright and Bill Self to the list of outliers.

Dan Hurley’s first 4 years at Rhode Island weren’t very good either.

Rick Barnes wouldn’t have survived at Providence.
 
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Bigs23 said:
Add Jay Wright and Bill Self to the list of outliers.

Dan Hurley’s first 4 years at Rhode Island weren’t very good either.

Rick Barnes wouldn’t have survived at Providence.
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All of them started as HCs at smaller schools, showed they could have success in those locations, and then moved up to bigger and better programs.

None of them are outliers.

You either really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to looking at coaches or you have decided that facts just don't matter to you in this discussion.
 
Turd Ferguson said:
How many years ago was that? Much different time now.
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That's right It was simpler times. You could count on keeping players. There were onerous rules to impede transfers. It was easier to do then. The competition wasn't as great. There wasn't as much attention country wide so a few regions and schools were able to amass a larger portion of the talent. Does that translate into giving a coach less time since the conditions are tougher? One of us has a logic error.
 
finesse said:
That's right It was simpler times. You could count on keeping players. There were onerous rules to impede transfers. It was easier to do then. The competition wasn't as great. There wasn't as much attention country wide so a few regions and schools were able to amass a larger portion of the talent. Does that translate into giving a coach less time since the conditions are tougher? One of us has a logic error.
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Fact is if they don't make the tournament this year and struggle next season, Hubert is probably going to be gone. Basketball programs like UNC are not going to be patient after missing the tournament twice in three years and not showing significant improvement the next season.
 
CarolinaFever said:
Fact is if they don't make the tournament this year and struggle next season, Hubert is probably going to be gone. Basketball programs like UNC are not going to be patient after missing the tournament twice in three years and not showing significant improvement the next season.
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If the Heels miss the NCAAT this year and next year you’re not going to get too much pushback on a change.
 
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