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EyeballKid said:
Fair enough.

I hope you at least listened to Cristobal pimping the conference in the post-game interviews. Pretty sure Miami is safe no matter what happens in the conference wars; I was happy that he stood up for the ACC and noted the strength of the conference.
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There is no strength to ACC football.
 
EyeballKid said:
Cool. Good talk.
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Please tell me about the strength of ACC football.

Y’all are having a good season. You’re in the national title game. Congrats. I’d be happy, too.

d00k (9-5/6-2) and UVA (11-3/7-1) played for the ACC title. Miami didn’t. d00k won.

That’s not a testament to the strength of the ACC.

Nothing Miami is doing says, “The ACC is good.”
 
Zoo_View said:
Please tell me about the strength of ACC football.

Y’all are having a good season. You’re in the national title game. Congrats. I’d be happy, too.

d00k (9-5/6-2) and UVA (11-3/7-1) played for the ACC title. Miami didn’t. d00k won.

That’s not a testament to the strength of the ACC.

Nothing Miami is doing says, “The ACC is good.”
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I point to the conference bowl record and head-to-head games against other conferences.

I know there are folks who devalue those metrics, but I’m not sure exactly how or why.

Bottom line is that the ACC isn’t as shitty as most folks here pretend. At least for this season, and for UM and other ACC bowl teams that show that a positive win percentage against other conferences.
 
EyeballKid said:
I point to the conference bowl record and head-to-head games against other conferences.

I know there are folks who devalue those metrics, but I’m not sure exactly how or why.

Bottom line is that the ACC isn’t as shitty as most folks here pretend. At least for this season, and for UM and other ACC bowl teams that show that a positive win percentage against other conferences.
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the acc is shittier than imaginable.

You kinda have to type around to get the acc.

The ACC sucks as a football conference.
 
EyeballKid said:
Given this year in a vacuum, I take my view. I think there’s a lot of room for the conference to grow from here, provided the base that has now been laid.

I don’t see UM receeding into the shadows after this.
I think UVA and VT are now set up for success. I think UNC can potentially be in this realm once the admin figures out what the hell they want out of a football team.FSU has to be in the discussion here as well, given their history and their broad alumni base who won’t stand for this sub-par bullshit much longer.

I think SMU and GT and BC provide a solid middle ground that can challenge depending on the year.
I think NCSTlol can potentially challenge the upper tier.
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UVA is not going to be any consistent success or able to beat anyone of note. FSU will indeed figure it out as will Clemson but both are horrible now and I'm talking now. UNC never has a chance to be a solid football program. We are all delusional by telling ourselves otherwise. History doesnt lie. The rest of the teams you named are just plain laughable in the context of national football prominence.

So, the ACC in football has 1 good program now (Miami) and 2 more that can hope to be such if they get their shit together (Clemson and Florida State). Problem is that 2 of those are absolutely gone from the ACC in 2 years.

Everybody else is relevant to nobody on the college football landscape.
 
SnoopRob said:
It wouldn't be untimed after the clock has expired, which is a huge advantage to the offense.
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How so? You're arguing that the offense gets one untimed down with a chance to win the game. The defense has that same chance. I get that moving the ball all the way to the one changes the dynamic of the subsequent play call, but that shouldn't affect the decision to throw the flag for a legitimate penalty. What you could argue, and I could totally get behind, is the result of the penalty. Maybe half the distance to the goal instead of placing the ball at the one?
 
EyeballKid said:
Given this year in a vacuum, I take my view. I think there’s a lot of room for the conference to grow from here, provided the base that has now been laid.

I don’t see UM receeding into the shadows after this.
I think UVA and VT are now set up for success. I think UNC can potentially be in this realm once the admin figures out what the hell they want out of a football team.FSU has to be in the discussion here as well, given their history and their broad alumni base who won’t stand for this sub-par bullshit much longer.

I think SMU and GT and BC provide a solid middle ground that can challenge depending on the year.
I think NCSTlol can potentially challenge the upper tier.
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*cough* Duke *cough*

Will they be a perennial contender to win the league? Probably not. But the administration has shown the willingness to spend money where needed and I think they will definitely continue to be in the middle/upper tier.

Duke has won 35 games the last four years.
 
dukeman92 said:
How so? You're arguing that the offense gets one untimed down with a chance to win the game. The defense has that same chance. I get that moving the ball all the way to the one changes the dynamic of the subsequent play call, but that shouldn't affect the decision to throw the flag for a legitimate penalty. What you could argue, and I could totally get behind, is the result of the penalty. Maybe half the distance to the goal instead of placing the ball at the one?
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The defense has already won the game because time has expired and the defensive team has the lead.

Essentially, the DPI provides the offensive team another chance to win it while the OPI merely keeps the ball from moving down the field by penalty.

It’s a significant advantage to the offense to call even offsetting penalties there because it gives the offense a do-over of a play the defense has already won when both are guilty of the exact same penalty.
 
dukeman92 said:
*cough* Duke *cough*

Will they be a perennial contender to win the league? Probably not. But the administration has shown the willingness to spend money where needed and I think they will definitely continue to be in the middle/upper tier.

Duke has won 35 games the last four years.
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They hire good coaches-something UNC could learn from
 
SnoopRob said:
The defense has already won the game because time has expired and the defensive team has the lead.

Essentially, the DPI provides the offensive team another chance to win it while the OPI merely keeps the ball from moving down the field by penalty.

It’s a significant advantage to the offense to call even offsetting penalties there because it gives the offense a do-over of a play the defense has already won when both are guilty of the exact same penalty.
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I understand where your head is at and even somewhat agree, but the defense hasn't won if the game isn't over. And the game isn't over if the outcome hasn't been decided.
 
dukeman92 said:
I’ve never understood this line of thinking. (I don’t think anything that happened in this game warranted a call) but the time of game shouldn’t influence the decision to throw a flag. If it’s a penalty at 10:01 it’s a penalty at :01
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To clarify, I think that if it’s clearly PI then you have to throw the flag regardless of the situation or how much time is on the clock. Same thing in basketball: if a player gets fouled at the very end of the game, the ref should call it the same way they would for the first possession of the game.

I just think Hail Mary’s are unique because the receivers and defensive backs are almost always both grabbing each other trying to go up to make a play. If the Miami DB had straight up tackled the Ole Miss receiver before the ball got there then yeah, throw the flag. Since they were both hand checking each other, I’m fine with the ref swallowing the whistle.
 
wmheel1287 said:
UVA is not going to be any consistent success or able to beat anyone of note. FSU will indeed figure it out as will Clemson but both are horrible now and I'm talking now. UNC never has a chance to be a solid football program. We are all delusional by telling ourselves otherwise. History doesnt lie. The rest of the teams you named are just plain laughable in the context of national football prominence.

So, the ACC in football has 1 good program now (Miami) and 2 more that can hope to be such if they get their shit together (Clemson and Florida State). Problem is that 2 of those are absolutely gone from the ACC in 2 years.

Everybody else is relevant to nobody on the college football landscape.
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I don’t think it’s delusional to think UNC can be a solid program. If Indiana can go thru a regular season 12-0 and be one game away from playing for the national championship, then any program can.
 
Zoo_View said:
d00k (9-5/6-2) and UVA (11-3/7-1) played for the ACC title. Miami didn’t. d00k won.

That’s not a testament to the strength of the ACC.
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It's also not a testament to the sanity of the ACC tiebreaker which put a 7-5 dook team into the title game instead of its highest ranked team which was one of the tied teams.
 
dukeman92 said:
I understand where your head is at and even somewhat agree, but the defense hasn't won if the game isn't over. And the game isn't over if the outcome hasn't been decided.
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PI on a hail mary - on each team - is kinda like holding on a QB scramble, if you go by the letter of the book then you could call it every single time.

When you put 4-5 receivers and 5+ DBs in the end zone and throw a ball at them, there is inevitably a lot of pushing and shoving and fighting for position. PI, by both teams, is inevitable and if you call it in a strict manner you'll never have an end to the game.

That's why refs only throw the flag when it's obvious and overwhelmingly done by one player/team to gain an extraordinary advantage. If a player is fairly open and a DB just bear hugs him to keep him from catching it, then it'd almost certainly get called. But what happened last night isn't that kind of play.

I get the idea that "a penalty on the first play of the game is a penalty on the last play" and generally agree, but the problem with the hail mary is that it's just a peculiar kind of play that you can't ref it like a normal play.
 
SnoopRob said:
PI on a hail mary - on each team - is kinda like holding on a QB scramble, if you go by the letter of the book then you could call it every single time.

When you put 4-5 receivers and 5+ DBs in the end zone and throw a ball at them, there is inevitably a lot of pushing and shoving and fighting for position. PI, by both teams, is inevitable and if you call it in a strict manner you'll never have an end to the game.

That's why refs only throw the flag when it's obvious and overwhelmingly done by one player/team to gain an extraordinary advantage. If a player is fairly open and a DB just bear hugs him to keep him from catching it, then it'd almost certainly get called. But what happened last night isn't that kind of play.

I get the idea that "a penalty on the first play of the game is a penalty on the last play" and generally agree, but the problem with the hail mary is that it's just a peculiar kind of play that you can't ref it like a normal play.
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I agree with everything except your first statement and think we generally see it the same way.
 
uncsig said:
It's also not a testament to the sanity of the ACC tiebreaker which put a 7-5 dook team into the title game instead of its highest ranked team which was one of the tied teams.
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Well the other conferences do it similarly.

We had the hardest conference schedule of the tied teams. Maybe if we had Miami's schedule we would have gone 7-1? Who knows.

I kind of like that it's not up to arbitrary poll folks
 
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