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StrangePackage said:
I appreciate that you have a sound reading of the Constitution in mind as you make these arguments.

But with this Supreme Court, I feel like the entirety of our Constitution is the same as the force which keeps Wile E. Coyote aloft after he runs off the edge of a cliff. It works the way it works until someone draws their attention to it, and then it ceases to work as it has been working.
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This is a disturbingly good analogy.
 
superrific said:
the riot was only because pence didn't do what trump wanted him to do. the plan was for pence to refuse to recognize the electors from several states and throw the election to the house. it was absolutely an attempt at disregarding the electoral results. this is not a matter of reasonable debate and i wont engage with this bs any further.
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I don't disagree. His fake electors plot, his phone calls to multiple states to "find votes" and all of his lawsuits were very much an attempt to actually steal an election. My understanding about the Pence situation is that he was trying to get Pence "send it back to the states" based on some misguided beliefs about what some states would do.

Those things can all be true and I can say that I'm not willing to presume to know the thoughts in his mind on that specific day. Those actions could have been one final, spiteful "fuck you" action like a convicted criminal lunging at a judge during sentencing.

I can also say the he personally didn't try to overthrow the government on that day.

Also
ChiliG said:
@ChileG
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. I assume he's referencing the same events.
 
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StrangePackage said:
I appreciate that you have a sound reading of the Constitution in mind as you make these arguments.

But with this Supreme Court, I feel like the entirety of our Constitution is the same as the force which keeps Wile E. Coyote aloft after he runs off the edge of a cliff. It works the way it works until someone draws their attention to it, and then it ceases to work as it has been working.
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haha. youre exaggerating (on purpose) but aren't wrong.

but we have a bit of recent history. the ind state leg theory has a textual hook but runs contrary to established understanding, constitutional purpose, and original intent. the ind state leg theory is pro-gop. but the court rejected it. i think that same dynamic applies here.

what does this court care about? religious "freedoms," admininstrative law, abortions. i have not seen much appetite for disturbing the mechanisms of democracy. gerrymandering case is awful but retained status quo. the insurrection clause case was badly reasoned but there was no good alternative; upholding the co judgment would have opened a huge can of worms. obviously after the immunity decision, all bets are off but all that tells us is that they will breach the constitution to get what they want. it doesn't tell us what they want.

i would not be surprised to see retirements from roberts and/or thomas, alito. i think the immunity decision was at least in part motivated by the panic that a dem would be re-elected, and they would have to choose between sticking around or letting biden appoint their replacements (biden was still nominee). it was obviously a terrible decision. it is exactly what the supreme court shouldn't be doing. it doesn't necessarily predict that they will be in the bag for trump about everything.

but we have to keep last term in mind when assessing, and that makes everything unpredictable in the way you say.
 
If the current reporting on the House GOP’s plan is correct, it will be interesting to see how hardcore MAGAs will vote with no agreement to increase the debt ceiling. Trump’s been pretty adamant about that. Seems like either Johnson and Scalise will be taking a painful L or Trump will.
 
Does President Musk support an increase in the debt ceiling ? That's all that matters...

At this point Musk is Roy Rogers and Trump is Jingles
 
ZenMode said:
I don't disagree. His fake electors plot, his phone calls to multiple states to "find votes" and all of his lawsuits were very much an attempt to actually steal an election. My understanding about the Pence situation is that he was trying to get Pence "send it back to the states" based on some misguided beliefs about what some states would do.

Those things can all be true and I can say that I'm not willing to presume to know the thoughts in his mind on that specific day. Those actions could have been one final, spiteful "fuck you" action like a convicted criminal lunging at a judge during sentencing.

I can also say the he personally didn't try to overthrow the government on that day.

Also. I assume he's referencing the same events.
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all of this can't be true. If the things you mentioned were successful, the government would have been overthrown. I'd argue he tried multiple ways...
 
heelslegup said:
Trump doubled down on his desire for a debt limit patch today, telling NBC News’ Garrett Haake that he’s keen to get rid of the limit entirely, not just raise the ceiling: “Democrats have said they want to get rid of it. If they want to get rid of it, I would lead the charge,” Trump said. “It doesn’t mean anything, except psychologically.”
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Democrats should absolutely take Trump up on this proposal. The debt ceiling is a terrible law and is very destructive to the financial health of the US. If we could get rid of it, it would be one of the best things Congress did during the entire Biden presidency.
 
heelinhell said:
So let's say at the end of his term, Trump announces that as an official act of his office he will continue as president for an indefinite period.

Who would enforce his removal from office ?

His SCOTUS ?
His DOJ ?
His House of Representatives ?

Should a Dem controlled House impeach would cowardly GQP Senators risk a primary with a MAGA stooge and convict ?

Should he be impeached and convicted , who would enforce his removal from office ?
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This is hilarious and cute at the same time. He will be 82. He might not make it through this term. And the answer to your question is the American public would enforce his removal. Americans aren't supporting a king move. Millions of Americans can put tremendous pressure on anyone and on the g'ment. But hope you will continue with the hilarity of omg, what if 82 year old trump refuses to leave the white house after his term is over.
 
Callatoroy said:
This is hilarious and cute at the same time. He will be 82. He might not make it through this term. And the answer to your question is the American public would enforce his removal. Americans aren't supporting a king move. Millions of Americans can put tremendous pressure on anyone and on the g'ment. But hope you will continue with the hilarity of omg, what if 82 year old trump refuses to leave the white house after his term is over.
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Would be a lot more convincing if all you guys had voted against the man who wants to be a king.
 




“… The bill would require the support of Democrats, and it was unclear whether they would agree. The legislation would extend current fiscal levels until mid-March, provide $110 billion in relief to help natural-disaster survivors and aid farmers, and grant an extension for the farm bill, which must be reauthorized. …”
 
Calheel said:
Democrats should absolutely take Trump up on this proposal. The debt ceiling is a terrible law and is very destructive to the financial health of the US. If we could get rid of it, it would be one of the best things Congress did during the entire Biden presidency.
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I agree but they should leverage permanent elimination of the debt ceiling to get something back from Trump.
 
lawtig02 said:
Would be a lot more convincing if all you guys had voted against the man who wants to be a king.
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We simply recognize what an asinine and preposterous worry that is. I mean you could get hit by a meteor when walking outside too. The two are about as likely to happen.
 
politicalwire.com

Is the Third Time a Charm?

"Speaker Mike Johnson will try yet again to pass a short-term funding bill this afternoon, just hours before a government shutdown is set to begin. But this time it seems likely to work," Punchbowl News
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“Johnson is now pushing a short-term funding bill that keeps federal agencies open until mid-March. The bill will include $100 billion in disaster aid for the hurricane-battered Southeast and other states. There’s also $30 billion in aid for farmers and a one-year extension of current agriculture policy.”

“The measure will be taken up under suspension, according to senior GOP lawmakers and aides, meaning it needs a two-thirds majority to pass. There will be one vote, instead of individual votes on the component parts as Johnson first envisioned.”

“If House Democrats back it – which seems likely – and the Senate processes it quickly, the measure could be approved by tonight’s midnight shutdown deadline and sent to President Joe Biden for his signature.”
 
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