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Sorry to break it to you, but a discussion about that case had been started on this thread before your post that your reference there (I believe the first post on it was Sunday evening).
 
Sorry to break it to you, but a discussion about that case had been started on this thread before your post that your reference there (I believe the first post on it was Sunday evening).
Ok. I acknowledge that possibility in my post. I saw that NYCfan posted a tweet about it a few hours after my post. She's generally first on everything.

I still believe that if the races been reversed, it would have had its own thread and that thread would have been several pages long before I heard about the story.
 
Probably. There's a pretty long tradition of not reporting white on black crime so it would essentially be a man bites dog story.
 
Ok. I acknowledge that possibility in my post. I saw that NYCfan posted a tweet about it a few hours after my post. She's generally first on everything.

I still believe that, had the races been reversed, it would have had its own thread and that thread would have been several pages long before I heard about the story.
NCK9 actually appears to be the first poster to post about it. That post was around 8:30 Sunday night. Then nyc and I discussed it prior to your post.

Not sure you’re correct about it being a lengthy thread if the races were reversed. I don’t think a story of a mentally ill homeless white guy killing a black woman in Charlotte is going to get a lot of national attention or garner a great deal of discussion. It would certainly make headlines in Charlotte due to it happening on Charlotte public transit and at a pretty bustling area, but I don’t think the story goes much beyond that in that scenario. The MSM wouldn’t care and Donald Trump and the right wing media certainly wouldn’t care.
 
Yeah, then you missed something. It was on this thread many pages back.
 
Ok. I acknowledge that possibility in my post. I saw that NYCfan posted a tweet about it a few hours after my post. She's generally first on everything.

I still believe that if the races been reversed, it would have had its own thread and that thread would have been several pages long before I heard about the story.
The news is famous for “Black man kills pretty white woman,” stories.
What is generally missing (comparatively speaking) is “black man kills black woman,” stories.

I have an example of a white man killing a black man that was not national news, nor was it discussed here at all, let alone creating its own thread “several pages long.”

The examples you give of “white man kills black man,” making national news had circumstances that made it more newsworthy on a national scale - like a police officer choking a black man to death in front of many horrified witnesses and cameras. Or, where does the line of self-defense cross over to murder?
 
Ok. I acknowledge that possibility in my post. I saw that NYCfan posted a tweet about it a few hours after my post. She's generally first on everything.

I still believe that if the races been reversed, it would have had its own thread and that thread would have been several pages long before I heard about the story.

I first read about the murder a couple of weeks ago because I follow a lot of (sometimes dodgy) pro-Ukraine accounts and the murder of a Ukrainian refugee in the USA popped up — caught my eye b/c it was in Charlotte. Politically, I thought it might be used to draw attention to the Trump Administration decision not to extend TPS for Ukrainian refugees, which it was a little but then sputtered out (at least in my curated feed) so I frankly forgot about it before Labor Day.

Then on Friday, a lot of extremely dodgy right wing accounts bubbled up about it — I had not focused on the perpetrator originally, and so when it seemed to explode into coverage, I thought we might have a murder by an undocumented immigrant. But turned out he was a black American and the focus was decidedly racial — a lot of accounts that post a lot of vile anti-immigrant content were suddenly my very concerned about an immigrant being murdered.

I think Musk first posted about it on Friday night, which exploded the story from a local and neonazi story to an international one. A lot of right wing accounts in Europe that are extremely anti-immigrant were suddenly covering it.

I watched it with some disgust and considered posting one in particular that framed her coverage of the story as “racism saves lives” but I decided that was too unnecessarily provocative to post here since the source was so decidedly fringe, even though she was generating a lot of support. But it was spreading like wildfire due to the graphic and genuinely horrifying nature of the completely random and unprovoked attack depicted in a widely available video and the racial politics.

In any event, anyone could start a separate thread about this story at any time.

To me, the story first and foremost is a horrible tragedy for the victim, regardless of her immigration status, but also another story of a Ukrainian family coming to North Carolina to escape the war and finding tragedy here instead (a Ukrainian refugee family was killed during Hurricane Helene last year).

But it is also about figuring out how to handle mentally ill people. The perpetrator here is an ex-con who is diagnosed schizophrenic and living in a homeless shelter. His most recent arrest for misusing 911 was because he called and claimed foreign materials in his body were making him do things — classic schizophrenic behavior. He was almost certainly charged at all because of his criminal history and to get him in the system for mental health evaluation— he was released pending that evaluation which the court required but in our current shortage of psychological support personnel, couldn’t be done immediately (or even reasonably soon). Should he have been Involuntarily committed pending evaluation somewhere? If so where and for how long?

I worked a summer at Manhattan Psych, including working the schizophrenia and prison psych wards, and have a lot of thoughts about the mental illness angle (but no answers that don’t involve a massive investment voters seem u willing to make), so if someone wanted to start that thread, I would probably post a lot.

I think the racial politics pollutes the whole thing and race is the least relevant aspect here, but happy to flesh out the statistics of the relative rarity of this sort of crime and the history of even alleged black male threats against white women as a tool of white supremacy, which I do think has made some MSM shy away from coverage. That history certainly made me hesitate to introduce the story here when I could have done so to focus on the tragedy of it, the Ukrainian TPS angle and eventually, once it was widely reported, the mental health problem.
 
The news is famous for “Black man kills pretty white woman,” stories.
What is generally missing (comparatively speaking) is “black man kills black woman,” stories.
Intra-race murder stories are generally.. generally...below inter-race murder stories.
I have an example of a white man killing a black man that was not national news, nor was it discussed here at all, let alone creating its own thread “several pages long.”
Sure. The fact that there was video and an immigrant who escaped a war-torn country adds to the interest, but this is less of a story than Daniel Penny, but Penny will most definitely get significantly more coverage when all is said and done. This current story is already lagging behind Penny in so-called MSM.
The examples you give of “white man kills black man,” making national news had circumstances that made it more newsworthy on a national scale - like a police officer choking a black man to death in front of many horrified witnesses and cameras. Or, where does the line of self-defense cross over to murder?
Sure, there are often circumstances that create interest, but Tony Timpa was basically identical to Floyd, yet most of the country probably heard of Timpa.

I still this should, for a variety of reasons, be as big as Penny, but isn't because of the race arrangement.
 
The news is famous for “Black man kills pretty white woman,” stories.
What is generally missing (comparatively speaking) is “black man kills black woman,” stories.

I have an example of a white man killing a black man that was not national news, nor was it discussed here at all, let alone creating its own thread “several pages long.”

The examples you give of “white man kills black man,” making national news had circumstances that made it more newsworthy on a national scale - like a police officer choking a black man to death in front of many horrified witnesses and cameras. Or, where does the line of self-defense cross over to murder?
Last summer a white man murdered an attractive (let’s be real, that always sensationalizes a story) young, black woman in Milwaukee. He then dismembered the corpse and spread the parts around town.

I learned about it this morning after a google search landed me on the website of a Milwaukee TV station. I wonder why Sinclair, Fox, Musk, Kirk, and Bannon were silent? Where was the opprobrium from our resident Nazis and Good Germans?
 
The unconfirmed reports and videos coming out of Nepal are extremely disturbing— a number of government officials and/or their spouses appear to be beaten, burned, murdered …
 
notice ACB's expression at the end of her wishy washy response

inch by inch, step by step

 
I first read about the murder a couple of weeks ago because I follow a lot of (sometimes dodgy) pro-Ukraine accounts and the murder of a Ukrainian refugee in the USA popped up — caught my eye b/c it was in Charlotte. Politically, I thought it might be used to draw attention to the Trump Administration decision not to extend TPS for Ukrainian refugees, which it was a little but then sputtered out (at least in my curated feed) so I frankly forgot about it before Labor Day.

Then on Friday, a lot of extremely dodgy right wing accounts bubbled up about it — I had not focused on the perpetrator originally, and so when it seemed to explode into coverage, I thought we might have a murder by an undocumented immigrant. But turned out he was a black American and the focus was decidedly racial — a lot of accounts that post a lot of vile anti-immigrant content were suddenly my very concerned about an immigrant being murdered.

I think Musk first posted about it on Friday night, which exploded the story from a local and neonazi story to an international one. A lot of right wing accounts in Europe that are extremely anti-immigrant were suddenly covering it.

I watched it with some disgust and considered posting one in particular that framed her coverage of the story as “racism saves lives” but I decided that was too unnecessarily provocative to post here since the source was so decidedly fringe, even though she was generating a lot of support. But it was spreading like wildfire due to the graphic and genuinely horrifying nature of the completely random and unprovoked attack depicted in a widely available video and the racial politics.

In any event, anyone could start a separate thread about this story at any time.

To me, the story first and foremost is a horrible tragedy for the victim, regardless of her immigration status, but also another story of a Ukrainian family coming to North Carolina to escape the war and finding tragedy here instead (a Ukrainian refugee family was killed during Hurricane Helene last year).

But it is also about figuring out how to handle mentally ill people. The perpetrator here is an ex-con who is diagnosed schizophrenic and living in a homeless shelter. His most recent arrest for misusing 911 was because he called and claimed foreign materials in his body were making him do things — classic schizophrenic behavior. He was almost certainly charged at all because of his criminal history and to get him in the system for mental health evaluation— he was released pending that evaluation which the court required but in our current shortage of psychological support personnel, couldn’t be done immediately (or even reasonably soon). Should he have been Involuntarily committed pending evaluation somewhere? If so where and for how long?

I worked a summer at Manhattan Psych, including working the schizophrenia and prison psych wards, and have a lot of thoughts about the mental illness angle (but no answers that don’t involve a massive investment voters seem u willing to make), so if someone wanted to start that thread, I would probably post a lot.

I think the racial politics pollutes the whole thing and race is the least relevant aspect here, but happy to flesh out the statistics of the relative rarity of this sort of crime and the history of even alleged black male threats against white women as a tool of white supremacy, which I do think has made some MSM shy away from coverage. That history certainly made me hesitate to introduce the story here when I could have done so to focus on the tragedy of it, the Ukrainian TPS angle and eventually, once it was widely reported, the mental health problem.
I don’t think there were any legal grounds to have him involuntarily committed. There needs to be a showing that the person poses a danger to others or themselves. When police encountered him after his 911 call (which he was actually doing from Presbyterian Hospital), I don’t think he was showing signs of being dangerous; just panicky.

There’s been a lot of fuss about him being let out of jail. Even Charlotte Mayor Vi Lyles has foolishly joined in that chorus. But no one is sitting in jail for that offense. And even if he was given a bond he couldn’t make, the amount of time he would have spent in pretrial confinement would have reached the maximum sentence he could have served for the offense several months ago, so he would have had to have been released then. He would have been out regardless.
 


The “AUMf” = Authorization to Use Military Force. A bipartisan coalition is trying to finally terminate the authorizations to use force in Iraq from the first and second Gulf Wars …
 
Intra-race murder stories are generally.. generally...below inter-race murder stories.

Sure. The fact that there was video and an immigrant who escaped a war-torn country adds to the interest, but this is less of a story than Daniel Penny, but Penny will most definitely get significantly more coverage when all is said and done. This current story is already lagging behind Penny in so-called MSM.

Sure, there are often circumstances that create interest, but Tony Timpa was basically identical to Floyd, yet most of the country probably heard of Timpa.

I still this should, for a variety of reasons, be as big as Penny, but isn't because of the race arrangement.
I don’t think the Penny story was as big as you think it was. Most people— I’m referring to those who keep up with current events— are probably relatively unfamiliar with it. Being that it happened in NYC, it obviously got the attention of NY media, which itself has a national stage and has has a big audience, but most of those who are familiar with it are those who consume a lot of right wing media, because it was a story of a white guy being persecuted for political purposes. I, myself, became aware of it through our more conservative posters here.

All that said, this Charlotte case is incredibly horrifying and shocking. It hits especially close to home for me, as it happened right by my office and in an area where I otherwise spend a great deal of time (I just celebrated my 50th birthday 3 blocks from where this happened at a restaurant right along the light rail line; I got married and had my wedding reception a block from where this happened and we hopped on the light rail after the reception to go from that venue to the after party), and on a light rail train on which I sometimes ride. I walk by the scene of the crime several times a week. There are other reasons I can’t currently discuss. But stories of mentally ill homeless people killing an individual don’t typically make national news. This case doesn’t involve some of the thought provoking issues that existed in the Penny case, e.g., whether he was justified in his actions, whether the nature and extent of the force he used was warranted under the circumstances, how should we react to mentally ill people who do/say things to make us feel uneasy/unsafe in confined spaces, etc.
 
Intra-race murder stories are generally.. generally...below inter-race murder stories.

Sure. The fact that there was video and an immigrant who escaped a war-torn country adds to the interest, but this is less of a story than Daniel Penny, but Penny will most definitely get significantly more coverage when all is said and done. This current story is already lagging behind Penny in so-called MSM.

Sure, there are often circumstances that create interest, but Tony Timpa was basically identical to Floyd, yet most of the country probably heard of Timpa.

I still this should, for a variety of reasons, be as big as Penny, but isn't because of the race arrangement.
The Charlotte murder shouldn’t be national news at all. There is no question he killed her and nobody will disagree that what happened was absolutely homicide.
In the Penny case, the intrigue wasn’t because of race, but because of a whole host of other issues, including, “was this murder or self-defense?”
 
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