Dictator Trump

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rodoheel said:
There is a difference between predicting where we will be in the future and observing where we are today.

Personally I think extreme predictions like those set out in the OP are one of the reasons why the Trump “resistance” failed the first time. Too many genuine, but overwrought, predictions about immediate dictatorship that made it seem, when Trump didn’t literally name himself emperor like things really weren’t all that bad.

Trump is doing a lot of bad and crazy stuff that we can talk about on its merits. We don’t need to spend as much time hyperventilating about what’s coming next. Focus on the bad stuff happening now and how to stop it, not dire predictions.
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If you honestly look at where we are today, I would argue nothing in the OP is an extreme prediction, just logical.
 
Shenanigans said:
If you honestly look at where we are today, I would argue nothing in the OP is an extreme prediction, just logical.
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I disagree. Every Spanish-speaking person and trans person in an internment camp? Completely rigged midterm elections? Trump refusing to leave office and getting assassinated by Republicans? No, I don't think any of that is logical. I think it's important to guard against backsliding into authoritarianism, which is exactly what is happening right now, but saying we'll be a full-on fascist dictatorship within two years is hyperbole that undercuts that message. We need to focus on showing people why the things that ae happening right now are so dangerous, and so anti-democratic. They are bad enough on their merits without needing to exaggerate for effect.
 
rodoheel said:
I disagree. Every Spanish-speaking person and trans person in an internment camp? Completely rigged midterm elections? Trump refusing to leave office and getting assassinated by Republicans? No, I don't think any of that is logical. I think it's important to guard against backsliding into authoritarianism, which is exactly what is happening right now, but saying we'll be a full-on fascist dictatorship within two years is hyperbole that undercuts that message. We need to focus on showing people why the things that ae happening right now are so dangerous, and so anti-democratic. They are bad enough on their merits without needing to exaggerate for effect.
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We shall see. Some Spanish speakers, some trans, not all. You do understand the goal of the Heritage Foundation, permanent conservative rule. They only need to rig the elections a little to put them over the top. They have engaged in massive efforts of voters suppression the last 20 years. The right taking out Trump I'll give you, I just think it's very possible they have considered it. Trump refusing to leave office is not hyperbole at all, I don't need to explain that.

Hope you are right and I am wrong. I have a very strong understanding of their motivations and tactics.They are moving extremely quickly right now, with very little actual resistance. Fingers crossed 🤞
 
rodoheel said:
I disagree. Every Spanish-speaking person and trans person in an internment camp? Completely rigged midterm elections? Trump refusing to leave office and getting assassinated by Republicans? No, I don't think any of that is logical. I think it's important to guard against backsliding into authoritarianism, which is exactly what is happening right now, but saying we'll be a full-on fascist dictatorship within two years is hyperbole that undercuts that message. We need to focus on showing people why the things that ae happening right now are so dangerous, and so anti-democratic. They are bad enough on their merits without needing to exaggerate for effect.
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They already have plans to deport approx 500K legal immigrant Venezuelans from Miami, who idiotically voted for him. Deportation, temporary internment, yada yada. I am exaggerating only based on their words and actions, not for effect. I do want people to understand the gravity of our current situation.
 
I don't know where to put this - Vought has ordered CFPB to stop all investigations and no new cases.
 
rodoheel said:
I disagree. Every Spanish-speaking person and trans person in an internment camp? Completely rigged midterm elections? Trump refusing to leave office and getting assassinated by Republicans? No, I don't think any of that is logical. I think it's important to guard against backsliding into authoritarianism, which is exactly what is happening right now, but saying we'll be a full-on fascist dictatorship within two years is hyperbole that undercuts that message. We need to focus on showing people why the things that ae happening right now are so dangerous, and so anti-democratic. They are bad enough on their merits without needing to exaggerate for effect.
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I agree about the number of people in camps but I am surprised you think that there isn't a very good chance that we will be in a full on authoritarian dictatorship in two years. That is clearly the direction we are headed and we are moving there at warp speed.

I understand that saying that might not be the best messaging but I also don't think it is hyperbole.
 
HandsonFire said:
Yeah I’m going to state for the record I’m no advocating for violence either. But I think with the way things are going the progression of things will lead to violence.
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You blue and red freaks leave me the hell alone if it does. I havent voted for either of the two corrupt parties. You are reaping what you have sewn for decades
 
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Politics Thread 'When do constitutional violations become more than just a difference of opinion'

Every congress has passed laws that are ruled unconstitutional. Every president has had decisions (executive orders) that are ruled unconstitutional.

Usually these are just considered part of the way checks and balances work. The other branches may push the issue some or may have a very different interpretation of the constitution. This is not considered abnormal.

I am assuming that there is a line where an action would be considered such a threat to the constitution that it can't just be swept away as normal and must be treated as an attack on the constitution itself.

Where/how is...
 
OGtruthhurts said:
You blue and red freaks leave me the hell alone if it does. I havent voted for either of the two corrupt parties. You are reaping what you have sewn for decades
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I never learned to sew, so I'd say you're wrong. Also, if you haven't voted for "either of the two corrupt parties," then you're getting what you voted for. You've basically said that you're fine with what everyone else chooses.
 
Shenanigans said:
“I am not necessarily advocating for violence. I simply think that is our way to course correct. …”
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I appreciate the sentiment (without the “not necessarily” qualifier).

As I’ve said many times lately, it is one thing to discuss the possibility of some violent response to political frustration and theoretical discussions of the root causes of political violence, versus hoping for, encouraging, calling for or organizing political violence (or any other violence) or assassinations/murder.

I appreciate everyone who posts here respecting that distinction, notwithstanding your justifiable (or not) political frustrations. Especially with @Rock going through some issues, we’re down to one person (me) trying to maintain a certain standard that includes not having this forum backslide into a place to agitate for violent responses to anything.

Many thanks.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
You blue and red freaks leave me the hell alone if it does. I havent voted for either of the two corrupt parties. You are reaping what you have sewn for decades
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Hmmm. I have not voted FOR anyone in either of the two corrupt parties either though I do cast my vote as effectively as possible against candidates fielded by the far and away MOST corrupt (and of late, the authoritarian, anti-constitutional democratic republican) one.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
You blue and red freaks leave me the hell alone if it does. I havent voted for either of the two corrupt parties. You are reaping what you have sewn for decades
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Ugh, you have contributed nothing to society, and now society owes you something. No. Fuck you. I'll leave you alone whenever the fuck I feel like it. You standing for nothing doesn't mean shit. The GOP is exponentially worse than the party who wants to help you. You never using your brain to vote for that party is irrelevant to our conversation. Go play video games, it will be a better use of your time.
 
Shenanigans said:
I spend more time outdoors in 2 weeks than you do annually. I live in a beautiful state. I would like you to go to the closest town. Find a non-white person, or maybe even a female or lgbtq individual. Introduce yourself, try to be unlike your usual self and be charming, buy them a drink, and ask them questions. This will help you to not be a stupid rube. You're welcome.7
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OK, got it. Although my oldest, and one of my best, friend is a gay married man. I was in his wedding and my wife and I regularly visit him and his husband in California. Stereotype much?

Scott Presler, the Republican organizer who helped Trump win Penn, has a huge presence on X. In the past few days some thugs posted a picture of he and his boyfriend embracing, adding that he should be driven from the MAGA movement. The support he received from hard core MAGA was overwhelming - posters stating that if you come after Scott you would have to get past them first. The MAGA movement is more diverse than you give it credit for
 
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