DOGE Catch-All

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nycfan said:
Honestly, you are giving Musk a lot of leeway for obvious implications of his posts when Trump and his press secretary seem to think Musk is clearly stating or implying that:

“… On Tuesday, Trump said at a press briefing in Florida that “we have millions and millions of people over 100 years old” receiving Social Security benefits. “They’re obviously fraudulent or incompetent,” Trump said.

“If you take all of those millions of people off Social Security, all of a sudden we have a very powerful Social Security with people that are 80 and 70 and 90, but not 200 years old,” he said. He also said that there’s one person in the system listed as 360 years old. …”

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Tens of millions of dead people aren't getting Social Security checks, despite Trump and Musk claims

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“… This isn't the first time Musk has spread false or misleading information. In the Oval Office last week, he backtracked on a claim spread prolifically by the Trump administration that USAID was sending $50 million worth of condoms to Gaza and Hamas. In fact, the condoms were sent to a province in Mozambique named Gaza as part of an HIV prevention measure.

"Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected," Musk said. "Nobody's going to bat a thousand. We will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes." …”
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The top quotes, unless I'm misreading them, are from Trump, not Elon. I don't know what Trump has said, but we all know he's a liar.

If I'm wrong, and Elon has specifically claimed fraud in SS, I'm sure someone will find it and correct me.
 
ZenMode said:
The top quotes, unless I'm misreading them, are from Trump, not Elon. I don't know what Trump has said, but we all know he's a liar.

If I'm wrong, and Elon has specifically claimed fraud in SS, I'm sure someone will find it and correct me.
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Why would they bother? It's scarcely worth the time and effort. No matter what anyone finds, there'll be something about the wording that you'll object to. It's the petty little odious bullshit you always play.

ETA: The biggest issue for me is that you're just so bad at it.
 
“We all know trump is a liar” but we’re gonna give the liar a pass on his hand-selected “advisor” or “acting director” - Elon - who was not elected, not confirmed and who lies all of the time himself.

Whatever.
 
Centerpiece said:
“We all know trump is a liar” but we’re gonna give the liar a pass on his hand-selected “advisor” or “acting director” - Elon - who was not elected, not confirmed and who lies all of the time himself.

Whatever.
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Trump's behavior or judgement don't automatically translate to Elon or anyone else around him. Are you going to disparage Rubio because Trump selected him?

Elon acknowledge a mistake he made previously in regard to fraud. Nothing I've read is ELON saying there has been fraud found in Social Security. He HAS pointed out the ridiculousness of the software that runs SS and its impact on data. Is he wrong? Is it not ridiculous that a system that gives out money based largely on age doesn't track age correctly?
 
ZenMode said:
Trump's behavior or judgement don't automatically translate to Elon or anyone else around him. Are you going to disparage Rubio because Trump selected him?

Elon acknowledge a mistake he made previously in regard to fraud. Nothing I've read is ELON saying there has been fraud found in Social Security. He HAS pointed out the ridiculousness of the software that runs SS and its impact on data. Is he wrong? Is it not ridiculous that a system that gives out money based largely on age doesn't track age correctly?
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So when Elon says he's revealing the largest fraud in history, what is he referring to?

First, there is no evidence that it doesn't track age correctly, and lots of evidence that it does -- you know, everyone who starts collecting Social Security at a certain age and not when they are 53. It's just that you don't know how the database works, and neither does Elon. As I've said before, it is incredibly common for databases to have columns that are not filled out as one might think. In fact, I can't remember EVER working on a database that doesn't have unused columns. Obviously I haven't seen this database, but the mere fact of an underutilized column means absolutely nothing.

The "business logic" for paying benefits could be anywhere. It wouldn't have to be in the SS database. It could be in the payment system. It could be somewhere else. In fact, I'd be surprised if it's in a single COBOL-based data file.
 

A DOGE Dividend Is a Bad Idea. Trump May Cut Checks Anyway.​


In a post on Twitter/X Tuesday afternoon, Musk said he would escalate the idea of a “DOGE Dividend,” saying “will check with the President.” The post came in a reply to a suggestion by James Fishback, the CEO and co-founder of right-leaning investment firm Azoria. (The company last year launched an anti-woke ETF that excluded companies that prioritize DEI hiring.)

By Fishback’s calculations, if DOGE reaches its target of $2 trillion in savings (a number that includes most of the government’s discretionary spending and which Musk himself has backtracked from in the past month), a 20 percent cut of that distributed to Americans would work out to $5,000 per household. The checks, he proposes, would be sent after DOGE expires next July.
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Musk reacted to this idea by saying, “Will check with the president.” That’s an ominous thought, since there’s probably not anything Donald Trump likes better than mailing checks to people with his name on the signature line, as he displayed with his avid support for COVID stimulus checks during the pandemic. The intended recipients of DOGE Dividends would really like the idea too; even people who despise and mistrust government know that its checks will clear. So it’s a politically seductive idea in the current environment.

 

Trump expresses interest in ‘DOGE dividend’ payments to Americans​

Even conservative budget experts are extremely skeptical that the plan could work in practice.

"...Speaking in the Miami area, Trump touted the “new concept” floated by James Fishback, CEO of the investment firm Azoria, to give 20 percent of DOGE’s savings to the public. Under the plan, taxpayers would receive direct payments — “DOGE dividend” checks — funded by the savings generated by DOGE.

Trump spoke at the FII PRIORITY Summit in Miami Beach, where DOGE leader and Trump adviser Elon Musk was in attendance.

“There’s even under consideration a new concept where we give 20 percent of the DOGE savings to American citizens,” Trump said. “The numbers are incredible, Elon — so many millions, billions, hundreds of billions.”

... Fishback said the plan could deliver roughly $5,000 per household for the roughly 79 million households in which residents pay federal income tax. That number is based on Musk’s goal of cutting $2 trillion from the federal budget, meaning the government would distribute $400 billion — 20 percent of the savings — back to taxpayers...."
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
Are funeral homes the only way out of this world?
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nycfan said:
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Anyone subscribing to this line of thought is brain dead. Which is why it’s so popular with Maggots. Trump/Elon know the real issue is they aren’t following the law of the land/constitution, but they feed this bullshit to the rubes and they fall for it hook line and seeker. Feeds right into their qanon conspiracy theory worldview.
 
HandsonFire said:
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Anyone subscribing to this line of thought is brain dead. Which is why it’s so popular with Maggots. Trump/Elon know the real issue is they aren’t following the law of the land/constitution, but they feed this bullshit to the rubes and they fall for it hook line and seeker. Feeds right into their qanon conspiracy theory worldview.
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I used to love watching King of the Hill, and MAGA is basically an army of Dale Gribbles. Convinced that there are weird dark conspiracies out there everywhere holding them back but failed to see that John Redcorn had been sleeping with his wife for years, and is the real father of his child. They keep seeing conspiracies against them in all the wrong places.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up with your bullshit. You know god damned well what Musk was implying, and you know god damned well how little effort it takes to get millions of Trump-voting simpletons to believe that there are thousands (or millions!) of people receiving benefits they weren’t supposed to.

He didn’t even fucking clarify what he meant by the graphic. He just posted it so the brain-dead Elon fanboy conspiracists can get worked into a lather.

You are a disingenuous piece of shit. At least people like Callatoroy and Ramrouser don’t portray themselves as anything other than the dirtbags that they are. You attempt to act like you are this above the fray bosider who is “just askin’ questions, man” to throw us off your scent, but you are no better than any of the countless bigoted, low-IQ, mouth-breathers that pass for Trump idolaters these days.
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I’d say you’re worked into a lather. What’s it that keeps getting batted around here about the accuser?

Agree with Zen. Seems the implication is that the data housekeeping is suspect, not that 300 year olds are cashing checks.
 
ZenMode said:
As far as I've seen, Elon never said there was fraud in SS or that tens of millions of people were receiving SS payments that shouldn't be. He simply pointed out that really old people were listed in the SS database, right?
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He was strongly implying that there was fraud, is how I read it.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm not asking you to do anything. When Elon has "found" fraud, he's called it out a long with a dollar amount. Has he said he found fraud in SS? Has he called out a dollar amount or is he just pointing out the ridiculousness of their database info as a result of old technology?
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There is nothing wrong with the database. That he has you convinced there is something wrong with the database is step one.
Trump is already to step two where he is declaring that there is massive fraud in social security.
Step three is massive cuts.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
Agree with Zen. Seems the implication is that the data housekeeping is suspect, not that 300 year olds are cashing checks.
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As someone who paid his way through law school as a professional database programmer, I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is normal.
 
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