DOGE Catch-All

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Also, saying something by implication is still saying it.

For instance, suppose you're walking through a field when you're confronted by a farmer holding a shotgun. The farmer points to a gate and says, "there's the exit. Get off my land or else." According to your logic, he didn't say that he was going to shoot you so no big deal. Maybe he just means he is going to notify the authorities of your trespass. Am I right?
 
When a henchman for the local protection racket walks into your store and says, “nice place you’ve got here, it would be a shame if something happened to it” he’s just a concerned neighbor making conversation.
 
ZenMode said:
Right... he doesn't say anyone is getting benefits. He's just saying the database is showing inaccurate info.
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Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up with your bullshit. You know god damned well what Musk was implying, and you know god damned well how little effort it takes to get millions of Trump-voting simpletons to believe that there are thousands (or millions!) of people receiving benefits they weren’t supposed to.

He didn’t even fucking clarify what he meant by the graphic. He just posted it so the brain-dead Elon fanboy conspiracists can get worked into a lather.

You are a disingenuous piece of shit. At least people like Callatoroy and Ramrouser don’t portray themselves as anything other than the dirtbags that they are. You attempt to act like you are this above the fray bosider who is “just askin’ questions, man” to throw us off your scent, but you are no better than any of the countless bigoted, low-IQ, mouth-breathers that pass for Trump idolaters these days.
 
superrific said:
Come on, man. He literally says that the government is paying benefits to those people when he jokes about them being vampires.
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If he has literally said that, I haven't seen it. All I've seen is that the database has inaccurate info, which is absolutely true.
 
Trump and Musk know how to perpetrate fraud, not actually find it.

The humans that have been FIRED from the FBI, CIA, USAID, pandemic control, nuclear power plant oversight were committing fraud by showing up to work every day?
 
ZenMode said:
If he has literally said that, I haven't seen it. All I've seen is that the database has inaccurate info.
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Honestly, you are giving Musk a lot of leeway for obvious implications of his posts when Trump and his press secretary seem to think Musk is clearly stating or implying that:

“… On Tuesday, Trump said at a press briefing in Florida that “we have millions and millions of people over 100 years old” receiving Social Security benefits. “They’re obviously fraudulent or incompetent,” Trump said.

“If you take all of those millions of people off Social Security, all of a sudden we have a very powerful Social Security with people that are 80 and 70 and 90, but not 200 years old,” he said. He also said that there’s one person in the system listed as 360 years old. …”

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Tens of millions of dead people aren't getting Social Security checks, despite Trump and Musk claims

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“… This isn't the first time Musk has spread false or misleading information. In the Oval Office last week, he backtracked on a claim spread prolifically by the Trump administration that USAID was sending $50 million worth of condoms to Gaza and Hamas. In fact, the condoms were sent to a province in Mozambique named Gaza as part of an HIV prevention measure.

"Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected," Musk said. "Nobody's going to bat a thousand. We will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes." …”
 
ZenMode said:
If he has literally said that, I haven't seen it. All I've seen is that the database has inaccurate info, which is absolutely true.
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"Maybe twilight is real and there are vampires collecting social security."

First, a minimum that says that "maybe" dead people are collecting social security. Second, the entire comment depends on the premise that there are benefits being paid. You wouldn't say, "maybe vampires are real and they are swishing three pointers from half court."

I'm not doing this with you anymore. It's another of your games where you try to pretend that words mean something other than what they mean. I'm not going to participate. I value language and precision in language, so I'm not going to indulge efforts to redefine words into idiosyncratic and highly personalized bundles of pseudo-semantics.
 
superrific said:
"Maybe twilight is real and there are vampires collecting social security."

First, a minimum that says that "maybe" dead people are collecting social security. Second, the entire comment depends on the premise that there are benefits being paid. You wouldn't say, "maybe vampires are real and they are swishing three pointers from half court."

I'm not doing this with you anymore. It's another of your games where you try to pretend that words mean something other than what they mean. I'm not going to participate. I value language and precision in language, so I'm not going to indulge efforts to redefine words into idiosyncratic and highly personalized bundles of pseudo-semantics.
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I'm not asking you to do anything. When Elon has "found" fraud, he's called it out a long with a dollar amount. Has he said he found fraud in SS? Has he called out a dollar amount or is he just pointing out the ridiculousness of their database info as a result of old technology?
 
The only thing that really matters is that from now on about 50 million Americans will say that Trump removed millions of dead people from the SS rosters, saving America countless millions of dollars. And they will not be convinced otherwise.
 
nycfan said:
Honestly, you are giving Musk a lot of leeway for obvious implications of his posts when Trump and his press secretary seem to think Musk is clearly stating or implying that:

“… On Tuesday, Trump said at a press briefing in Florida that “we have millions and millions of people over 100 years old” receiving Social Security benefits. “They’re obviously fraudulent or incompetent,” Trump said.

“If you take all of those millions of people off Social Security, all of a sudden we have a very powerful Social Security with people that are 80 and 70 and 90, but not 200 years old,” he said. He also said that there’s one person in the system listed as 360 years old. …”

apnews.com

Tens of millions of dead people aren't getting Social Security checks, despite Trump and Musk claims

apnews.com apnews.com





“… This isn't the first time Musk has spread false or misleading information. In the Oval Office last week, he backtracked on a claim spread prolifically by the Trump administration that USAID was sending $50 million worth of condoms to Gaza and Hamas. In fact, the condoms were sent to a province in Mozambique named Gaza as part of an HIV prevention measure.

"Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected," Musk said. "Nobody's going to bat a thousand. We will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes." …”
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The top quotes, unless I'm misreading them, are from Trump, not Elon. I don't know what Trump has said, but we all know he's a liar.

If I'm wrong, and Elon has specifically claimed fraud in SS, I'm sure someone will find it and correct me.
 
ZenMode said:
The top quotes, unless I'm misreading them, are from Trump, not Elon. I don't know what Trump has said, but we all know he's a liar.

If I'm wrong, and Elon has specifically claimed fraud in SS, I'm sure someone will find it and correct me.
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Why would they bother? It's scarcely worth the time and effort. No matter what anyone finds, there'll be something about the wording that you'll object to. It's the petty little odious bullshit you always play.

ETA: The biggest issue for me is that you're just so bad at it.
 
“We all know trump is a liar” but we’re gonna give the liar a pass on his hand-selected “advisor” or “acting director” - Elon - who was not elected, not confirmed and who lies all of the time himself.

Whatever.
 
Centerpiece said:
“We all know trump is a liar” but we’re gonna give the liar a pass on his hand-selected “advisor” or “acting director” - Elon - who was not elected, not confirmed and who lies all of the time himself.

Whatever.
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Trump's behavior or judgement don't automatically translate to Elon or anyone else around him. Are you going to disparage Rubio because Trump selected him?

Elon acknowledge a mistake he made previously in regard to fraud. Nothing I've read is ELON saying there has been fraud found in Social Security. He HAS pointed out the ridiculousness of the software that runs SS and its impact on data. Is he wrong? Is it not ridiculous that a system that gives out money based largely on age doesn't track age correctly?
 
ZenMode said:
Trump's behavior or judgement don't automatically translate to Elon or anyone else around him. Are you going to disparage Rubio because Trump selected him?

Elon acknowledge a mistake he made previously in regard to fraud. Nothing I've read is ELON saying there has been fraud found in Social Security. He HAS pointed out the ridiculousness of the software that runs SS and its impact on data. Is he wrong? Is it not ridiculous that a system that gives out money based largely on age doesn't track age correctly?
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So when Elon says he's revealing the largest fraud in history, what is he referring to?

First, there is no evidence that it doesn't track age correctly, and lots of evidence that it does -- you know, everyone who starts collecting Social Security at a certain age and not when they are 53. It's just that you don't know how the database works, and neither does Elon. As I've said before, it is incredibly common for databases to have columns that are not filled out as one might think. In fact, I can't remember EVER working on a database that doesn't have unused columns. Obviously I haven't seen this database, but the mere fact of an underutilized column means absolutely nothing.

The "business logic" for paying benefits could be anywhere. It wouldn't have to be in the SS database. It could be in the payment system. It could be somewhere else. In fact, I'd be surprised if it's in a single COBOL-based data file.
 

A DOGE Dividend Is a Bad Idea. Trump May Cut Checks Anyway.​


In a post on Twitter/X Tuesday afternoon, Musk said he would escalate the idea of a “DOGE Dividend,” saying “will check with the President.” The post came in a reply to a suggestion by James Fishback, the CEO and co-founder of right-leaning investment firm Azoria. (The company last year launched an anti-woke ETF that excluded companies that prioritize DEI hiring.)

By Fishback’s calculations, if DOGE reaches its target of $2 trillion in savings (a number that includes most of the government’s discretionary spending and which Musk himself has backtracked from in the past month), a 20 percent cut of that distributed to Americans would work out to $5,000 per household. The checks, he proposes, would be sent after DOGE expires next July.
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Musk reacted to this idea by saying, “Will check with the president.” That’s an ominous thought, since there’s probably not anything Donald Trump likes better than mailing checks to people with his name on the signature line, as he displayed with his avid support for COVID stimulus checks during the pandemic. The intended recipients of DOGE Dividends would really like the idea too; even people who despise and mistrust government know that its checks will clear. So it’s a politically seductive idea in the current environment.

 

Trump expresses interest in ‘DOGE dividend’ payments to Americans​

Even conservative budget experts are extremely skeptical that the plan could work in practice.

"...Speaking in the Miami area, Trump touted the “new concept” floated by James Fishback, CEO of the investment firm Azoria, to give 20 percent of DOGE’s savings to the public. Under the plan, taxpayers would receive direct payments — “DOGE dividend” checks — funded by the savings generated by DOGE.

Trump spoke at the FII PRIORITY Summit in Miami Beach, where DOGE leader and Trump adviser Elon Musk was in attendance.

“There’s even under consideration a new concept where we give 20 percent of the DOGE savings to American citizens,” Trump said. “The numbers are incredible, Elon — so many millions, billions, hundreds of billions.”

... Fishback said the plan could deliver roughly $5,000 per household for the roughly 79 million households in which residents pay federal income tax. That number is based on Musk’s goal of cutting $2 trillion from the federal budget, meaning the government would distribute $400 billion — 20 percent of the savings — back to taxpayers...."
 
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