DOGE Catch-All

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Tarheeljoe said:
Oh yeah that definitely goes on, but in this case she is directly quoting a Bloomberg article that directly quotes the acting director:

"Acting Social Security Commissioner Leland Dudek said the temporary restraining order issued Thursday is so broad in blocking access to data by “DOGE affiliates” that it could apply to any Social Security employee.

“My anti-fraud team would be DOGE affiliates. My IT staff would be DOGE affiliates,” Dudek said. “As it stands, I will follow it exactly and terminate access by all SSA employees to our IT systems.”

He said he would ask the judge to immediately clarify her order. “Really, I want to turn it off and let the courts figure out how they want to run a federal agency,” he said."

So maybe the aliens have landed.
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Well done. You got me.
 
Tarheeljoe said:
No gotting here. Just putting the info out there. Especially because reading the article on Bloomberg requires codes and popups and all kinds of crap.
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Yeah. I actually misread it. I thought it was Doge threatening the social security administration and the director saying that she might have to shut off payments. It's actually the courts doing that and the director saying if we have to follow this ruling, people aren't going to get their checks and the court system will need to figure it out. Malicious compliance by Trump allies.

I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time as a judge, who's a really smart person, makes a ruling on something they have no background in and has to go back and adjust it. Seems like that sort of thing happens to tech billionaires and unpaid 20-something coders as well. Its likely just hitting the news now because of what's going on. I think it'll all work out and not one check will be missed but we'll have to see.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. I actually misread it. I thought it was Doge threatening the social security administration and the director saying that she might have to shut off payments. It's actually the courts doing that and the director saying if we have to follow this ruling, people aren't going to get their checks and the court system will need to figure it out.

I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time as a judge, who's a really smart person, makes a ruling on something they have no background in and has to go back and adjust it. Seems like that sort of thing happens to tech billionaires and unpaid 20-something coders as well. Its likely just hitting the news now because of what's going on. I think it'll all work out and not one check will be missed but we'll have to see.
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I hope you are correct. I am getting my first Social Security payment in April and my timing is always impeccable. It's not something I need, but still, there are a lot of people that depend on it.
 
Billionaire says his mother-in-law wouldn't complain if her SS check got skipped and if you complain you are probably committing fraud.

 
Tarheeljoe said:
Billionaire says his mother-in-law wouldn't complain if her SS check got skipped and if you complain you are probably committing fraud.

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That’s so backwards. Someone who isn’t a fraudster will complain and loudly. A fraudster wouldn’t complain due to concerns of likely being found to be a fraudster. Fraudsters don’t want people digging into the details.
 
From Heather Cox Richardson

Catherine Rampell of the Washington Post observed today that “the ‘Department of Government Efficiency’ [is making] the federal government almost comically inefficient.” She wrote that Internal Revenue Service employees line up at shared computers on Mondays to submit their “five things I did last week” emails to DOGE while taxpayer service calls go unanswered. Federal surveyors at the Bureau of Land Management are no longer allowed to buy replacement equipment, so when a shovel breaks they can’t simply replace it; they have to locate a manager authorized to file an official procurement form and order one. Many have had to ignore their actual jobs in order to scrub words from official documents.

After interviewing frustrated civil servants for weeks, Rampell said, she has learned that “routine tasks take longer to complete, grinding down worker productivity,” while DOGE bogs workers down with “meaningless busywork, which sets them up to be punished for neglecting their actual duties.”

“All this talk of warfighter ethos, and our ‘priority’ is making sure there are no three-year-old tweets with the word ‘diversity’ in them,” one Pentagon staffer told Rampell. “Crazy town.”

open.substack.com

March 21, 2025

These days, I keep coming back to the quotation recorded by journalist Ron Suskind in a New York Times Magazine article in 2004.
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How Elon Musk’s DOGE Cuts Leave a Vacuum That China Can Fill​

The Department of Government Efficiency is shuttering organizations that Beijing worried about most, or actively sought to subvert.

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How Elon Musk’s DOGE Cuts Leave a Vacuum That China Can Fill

The Department of Government Efficiency is shuttering organizations that Beijing worried about most, or actively sought to subvert.
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“… As the Department of Government Efficiency roars through agencies across government, its targets have included some of the organizations that Beijing worried about most, or actively sought to subvert. And, as with much that Elon Musk’s DOGE has dismembered, there has been no published study of the costs and benefits of losing those capabilities — and no discussion of how the roles, arguably as important as a manned fighter, might be replaced.

On the list of capabilities on life support is Radio Free Asia, a 29-year-old nonprofit that estimates its news broadcasts reach 60 million people in Asia each week, from China to Myanmar, and across the Pacific islands where the United States has been struggling to counter China’s narratives about the world. It furloughed all but 75 of its Washington staff members on Friday, trying to stay on the air while court cases develop on Trump officials’ moves to defund U.S. government-supported media.

At the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth eliminated the Office of Net Assessment, an internal think-tank. With an annual budget that accounted for a few seconds of Pentagon spending each year, the office tried to think ahead about the challenges the United States would face a decade or two in the future — such as the new capabilities of artificial intelligence, autonomous weapons and the hidden vulnerabilities of supply chains for military contractors. …”
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. I actually misread it. I thought it was Doge threatening the social security administration and the director saying that she might have to shut off payments. It's actually the courts doing that and the director saying if we have to follow this ruling, people aren't going to get their checks and the court system will need to figure it out. Malicious compliance by Trump allies.

I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time as a judge, who's a really smart person, makes a ruling on something they have no background in and has to go back and adjust it. Seems like that sort of thing happens to tech billionaires and unpaid 20-something coders as well. Its likely just hitting the news now because of what's going on. I think it'll all work out and not one check will be missed but we'll have to see.
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Will it stop you from doing gymnastics to give perpetual benefit of the doubt to people who don't deserve it?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Will it stop you from doing gymnastics to give perpetual benefit of the doubt to people who don't deserve it?
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No. In fact you must have misunderstood. Just like a federal judge who is an expert at the law, but might not understand how to administer a large government program would make a mistake and need to adjust after the fact, a billionaire and his young workforce trying to cut a bloated bureaucracy might also make a mistake and need to correct it after the fact.

And both of those things are okay and don't mean the end of our democracy or that old people won't get their checks or whatever else people are afraid of this week.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
No. In fact you must have misunderstood. Just like a federal judge who is an expert at the law, but might not understand how to administer a large government program would make a mistake and need to adjust after the fact, a billionaire and his young workforce trying to cut a bloated bureaucracy might also make a mistake and need to correct it after the fact.
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The judge didn't need to adjust anything. The order was crystal clear and the judge furiously responded to the media rantings of the Director.
 
You know who else “might not understand how to administer a large government program”? Elon Musk and his teenage hackers. So maybe they should talk to people, develop an understanding of how the organization works, and listen to reason before they announce their sweeping edicts. No, I won’t give them the benefit of the doubt because they are behaving maliciously and intentionally doing irreparable damage with their institutional woodchipper.

They get exactly the degree of respect they have shown to the people whose lives have been unnecessarily wrecked. Fuck them.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
The judge needed to clarify and that's fine. The order could have been interpreted either way.
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No, GT, this is false. The government official who made this claim eventually got upbraided by the Trump Administration for taking this aggressive position (more as a political matter of saying the quiet part out loud about threats to SSA benefits, but also because it was obvious nonsense that even they couldn’t effectively defend to the public with a straight face).
 
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