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ZenMode said:
As far as I've seen, Elon never said there was fraud in SS or that tens of millions of people were receiving SS payments that shouldn't be. He simply pointed out that really old people were listed in the SS database, right?
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Over the past few days, President Donald Trump and billionaire adviser Elon Musk have said on social media and in press briefings that people who are 100, 200 and even 300 years old are improperly getting benefits — a “HUGE problem,” Musk wrote, as his Department of Government Efficiency digs into federal agencies to root out waste, fraud and abuse.

You're right. It was probably all a non sequitur that people misunderstood and he was too embarrassed to correct.
 
ZenMode said:
As far as I've seen, Elon never said there was fraud in SS or that tens of millions of people were receiving SS payments that shouldn't be. He simply pointed out that really old people were listed in the SS database, right?
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ZenMode said:
As far as I've seen, Elon never said there was fraud in SS or that tens of millions of people were receiving SS payments that shouldn't be. He simply pointed out that really old people were listed in the SS database, right?
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Again, if these people have such mush for brains as you admit elsewhere, why on earth would you give Elon the benefit of the doubt? He's running his exact twitter playbook on the federal government. Twitter is worth maybe 10-15% of what he paid for it (note: private valuations are higher but they are almost always optimistic). This is what you want? Why give that man any benefit of the doubt?
 
nycfan said:
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This actually upsets me. If they are going to destroy so many lives then touch social security and Medicare.

These Boomers who are living on social security need to feel the pain too. Tired of seeing people on social security and disability constantly saying that the government is stealing their money.
 
superrific said:
Again, if these people have such mush for brains as you admit elsewhere, why on earth would you give Elon the benefit of the doubt? He's running his exact twitter playbook on the federal government. Twitter is worth maybe 10-15% of what he paid for it (note: private valuations are higher but they are almost always optimistic). This is what you want? Why give that man any benefit of the doubt?
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He either said something or he didn't. Even ABC, as of 30 min ago, says he's only "implying".

President Donald Trump and Elon Musk, in their hunt for "fraud, waste and abuse" in the federal government, are falsely implying millions of dead Americans are receiving Social Security benefits, experts told ABC News.

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Musk misreads Social Security data, millions of dead people not getting benefits, experts say

President Donald Trump and Elon Musk are falsely implying that millions of dead Americans are receiving Social Security benefits, experts told ABC News.
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ZenMode said:
Right... he doesn't say anyone is getting benefits. He's just saying the database is showing inaccurate info.
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Come on, man. He literally says that the government is paying benefits to those people when he jokes about them being vampires.
 
Also, saying something by implication is still saying it.

For instance, suppose you're walking through a field when you're confronted by a farmer holding a shotgun. The farmer points to a gate and says, "there's the exit. Get off my land or else." According to your logic, he didn't say that he was going to shoot you so no big deal. Maybe he just means he is going to notify the authorities of your trespass. Am I right?
 
When a henchman for the local protection racket walks into your store and says, “nice place you’ve got here, it would be a shame if something happened to it” he’s just a concerned neighbor making conversation.
 
ZenMode said:
Right... he doesn't say anyone is getting benefits. He's just saying the database is showing inaccurate info.
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Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up with your bullshit. You know god damned well what Musk was implying, and you know god damned well how little effort it takes to get millions of Trump-voting simpletons to believe that there are thousands (or millions!) of people receiving benefits they weren’t supposed to.

He didn’t even fucking clarify what he meant by the graphic. He just posted it so the brain-dead Elon fanboy conspiracists can get worked into a lather.

You are a disingenuous piece of shit. At least people like Callatoroy and Ramrouser don’t portray themselves as anything other than the dirtbags that they are. You attempt to act like you are this above the fray bosider who is “just askin’ questions, man” to throw us off your scent, but you are no better than any of the countless bigoted, low-IQ, mouth-breathers that pass for Trump idolaters these days.
 
superrific said:
Come on, man. He literally says that the government is paying benefits to those people when he jokes about them being vampires.
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If he has literally said that, I haven't seen it. All I've seen is that the database has inaccurate info, which is absolutely true.
 
Trump and Musk know how to perpetrate fraud, not actually find it.

The humans that have been FIRED from the FBI, CIA, USAID, pandemic control, nuclear power plant oversight were committing fraud by showing up to work every day?
 
ZenMode said:
If he has literally said that, I haven't seen it. All I've seen is that the database has inaccurate info.
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Honestly, you are giving Musk a lot of leeway for obvious implications of his posts when Trump and his press secretary seem to think Musk is clearly stating or implying that:

“… On Tuesday, Trump said at a press briefing in Florida that “we have millions and millions of people over 100 years old” receiving Social Security benefits. “They’re obviously fraudulent or incompetent,” Trump said.

“If you take all of those millions of people off Social Security, all of a sudden we have a very powerful Social Security with people that are 80 and 70 and 90, but not 200 years old,” he said. He also said that there’s one person in the system listed as 360 years old. …”

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Tens of millions of dead people aren't getting Social Security checks, despite Trump and Musk claims

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“… This isn't the first time Musk has spread false or misleading information. In the Oval Office last week, he backtracked on a claim spread prolifically by the Trump administration that USAID was sending $50 million worth of condoms to Gaza and Hamas. In fact, the condoms were sent to a province in Mozambique named Gaza as part of an HIV prevention measure.

"Well, first of all, some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected," Musk said. "Nobody's going to bat a thousand. We will make mistakes, but we'll act quickly to correct any mistakes." …”
 
ZenMode said:
If he has literally said that, I haven't seen it. All I've seen is that the database has inaccurate info, which is absolutely true.
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"Maybe twilight is real and there are vampires collecting social security."

First, a minimum that says that "maybe" dead people are collecting social security. Second, the entire comment depends on the premise that there are benefits being paid. You wouldn't say, "maybe vampires are real and they are swishing three pointers from half court."

I'm not doing this with you anymore. It's another of your games where you try to pretend that words mean something other than what they mean. I'm not going to participate. I value language and precision in language, so I'm not going to indulge efforts to redefine words into idiosyncratic and highly personalized bundles of pseudo-semantics.
 
superrific said:
"Maybe twilight is real and there are vampires collecting social security."

First, a minimum that says that "maybe" dead people are collecting social security. Second, the entire comment depends on the premise that there are benefits being paid. You wouldn't say, "maybe vampires are real and they are swishing three pointers from half court."

I'm not doing this with you anymore. It's another of your games where you try to pretend that words mean something other than what they mean. I'm not going to participate. I value language and precision in language, so I'm not going to indulge efforts to redefine words into idiosyncratic and highly personalized bundles of pseudo-semantics.
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I'm not asking you to do anything. When Elon has "found" fraud, he's called it out a long with a dollar amount. Has he said he found fraud in SS? Has he called out a dollar amount or is he just pointing out the ridiculousness of their database info as a result of old technology?
 
The only thing that really matters is that from now on about 50 million Americans will say that Trump removed millions of dead people from the SS rosters, saving America countless millions of dollars. And they will not be convinced otherwise.
 
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