Largely agree. I think there is some room for religious Democrats to do faith-based messaging a la Raphael Warnock as super as suggested. This can exist under the same umbrella as an overall economic/class focused message, IMO.
There is lots we probably agree on. Probably not going to agree on eliminating the EC, expanding the SC, ending the filibuster, making PR and DC states if you support those. As you read posts, just look at all the comments painting the pub party as whatever the insult is at the time. You will see that gross generalizations are the primary form of talking about pubs. You do that a lot. You want to get past the party bullshit, start on calling that out. As for my "winning" comments. That's just me poking fun or being sarcastic.
Your earlier comments were interesting to me. You feel that the dem party needs to shift more to the Bernie / AOC mindset? Or am I mischaracterizing that?
We all have different things we take comfort in. Glad you found yours and will sleep well wrapped in that knowledge. Hope Santa is good to you and brings you and your family all the things you wished for.
Yes, in terms of an economic populist message.
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You can talk class all you want, but the studies and voting patterns have shown time and time again that religion and race (not to mention rural/urban, democrat/republican, etc.) are much stronger identities than class in America. Poor people, generally speaking, do not feel any kinship with other poor people in this country. The poor rural whites (and the cosplaying rural whites from the suburbs) feel much, much more kinship with Trump than the poor racial minorities in the cities.
Ok, give me examples of economic populism as it would come from bernie and aoc.Yes, in terms of an economic populist message.
AOC recently gave an interview where she talked about the Democratic Party needing to shift from an identity focused message to a class/economic focused message. She said she is willing to work with anyone to advance legislation that will help working people.
Bernie, for his part, has always focused on that. The 2020 primary forced a lot of Democrats to the far left side on identity issues, even Bernie. The reasons for this are too many to talk about here, but we know that dynamic happened.
In her race for Oversight chair, AOC ended up getting a lot more votes than anyone would expect from a relatively young congressperson. Her support for Oversight was, interestingly, across the ideological spectrum in the Democratic Party.
Take someone like Pat Ryan, for example. He’s a congressman from a purple district in NY. He outperformed Harris by more than any other purple district Democrat, IIRC. He campaigned on economic populism while also being “tough” on the border. He supported AOC for oversight chair and went to bat for her.
Pat Ryan, AOC, Raphael Warnock. That’s the future of the Democratic coalition. The agreement amongst these factions will be a focus on economic populism. They will still advocate for other issues based on the existing constituencies, of course.
You mention liking Jeff Jackson. He fits firmly under this umbrella. Ryan is very similar to him.
Issues | Congressman Pat Ryan
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race leads right back to identity politics. That is a weakness in the left because that is inherent in their mindset. It permeates everything they focus on. At least it seems that way to me, especially from the aoc and bernies of the left.
Literally listen to any speech by them.
The Christian Right is the most powerful and largest identity group in the nation.
I get generalities out of political speeches. Can you provide 2 simple examples (not trying to get you hung up in a pissing match). The concept of economic populism from democratic socialists seems completely contradictory to me. So I may not be understanding your comments as you intend.
I edited my post to include some comments from both of them that encapsulate what I’m talking about. The economic policies of Sanders and AOC are overwhelmingly popular with the American public.
Thank you for the link.
Its so big and diverse that it makes it hard to target with specifics
You have to be kidding. They're as diverse as different brands of white bread.
Not kidding at all. The Christian right is made up of old and young, all races and nationalities, women and men, very religious and less religious. You can't target that with identity politics unless your message is anti-religion.
