“Eat the Rich” memes spread, but is it a political movement?

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farce© said:
You mean the way Republican right wing extremists used the debt ceiling as a weapon against Democrats who were actually trying to govern? Are those the kind of games you’re referring to?
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I mean the same way republicans and democrats have used the debt ceiling as a weapon when they don't get their way. Why is it so hard for you guys to call out crap when your side does it? Are you so fragile that you can't be objective?
 
hedge said:
I heard a left-leaning commentator say this several years ago, can't remember his name but I think it's the same guy who Paine posted a longish video of a few weeks ago giving a speech. It caught my attention to such a degree that I typed it out verbatim at the time and saved it. It addresses lawtig's sentence that I quoted and, I think, the larger issue of the thread title:

Street clashes do not distress the ruling elites. These clashes divide the underclass. They divert activists from threatening the actual structures of power. They give the corporate state the ammunition to impose harsher mechanisms of control and expand the powers of internal security.

When ANTIFA assumes the right to curtail free speech it becomes a weapon in the hands of its enemies to take that freedom away from everyone, esp. the anti-capitalists. The focus on street violence diverts activists from the far less glamorous task of building relationships and alternative institutions and community organizing that alone will make effective resistance possible.

We will defeat the corporate state only when we take back and empower our communities. As long as acts of resistance are forms of personal catharsis, the corporate state is secure. Indeed, the corporate state welcomes this violence, because violence is a language it can speak, with a proficiency and ruthlessness that none of these groups can match.
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A tale as time. The State, in all of its various guises, is very good at violence.
 
UNCatTech said:
Listening to you one would think that trump surely achieved over 50% of the voters voting for him and had to have recieved 10-12 million more votes than his competition.

Yet he didn't. The numbers just don't seem to support that there is only one party or anything else you've proposed.

The guy barely won the popular vote and didn't hit 50% of the actual votes.
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I know after the ass kicking you guys took in the election that is all you have to cling to. Like an orphaned monkey clinging to a stuffed animal. But, the gains trump made in dem strong hold demographics was very telling. You guys still aren't seeing it though. I don't care if he didn't get 50%. Semantics is all the left has to comfort them. Your party and media has been exposed for what it is. All of your moral high ground has been eroded. The only thing that remains to be seen is do you wake up and face reality, or slide further into the basement and cloak yourselves in hypocrisy. My guess is, based on people on this board, the line to the basement door has formed.
 
Callatoroy said:
Where did I say or imply that any culture was causing a problem? I said multi-culturalism is hard to govern. Of course you know that and are full of your racist shit.
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It seemed to me that you were implying that, but I’ll take you at your word. Now why do you think multiculturalism is hard to govern? What are the “cultures” that make the US so different than Scandinavian countries? How many people of these other cultures does it take to reach a critical mass that makes them hard to govern?
 
Callatoroy said:
I know after the ass kicking you guys took in the election that is all you have to cling to. Like an orphaned monkey clinging to a stuffed animal. But, the gains trump made in dem strong hold demographics was very telling. You guys still aren't seeing it though. I don't care if he didn't get 50%. Semantics is all the left has to comfort them. Your party and media has been exposed for what it is. All of your moral high ground has been eroded. The only thing that remains to be seen is do you wake up and face reality, or slide further into the basement and cloak yourselves in hypocrisy. My guess is, based on people on this board, the line to the basement door has formed.
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You're lies don't agree with the numbers.

Keep telling yourself that the orange turn actually did something historical, if it make you feel better. The numbers don't support it.

A 1.5% win isn't that staggering.

whyy.org

Trump falls just below 50% in popular vote, but gets more than in past elections

This year's popular-vote margin is the second-closest since 1968 and still tightening. It shows just how closely divided the country is politically, and that any shift to the right is marginal.
whyy.org whyy.org

Look, there's trump, just below Carter:
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www.bbc.com

Just how big was Donald Trump’s election victory?

The US president-elect has emphasised the scale of his win – but data shows that most voters picked someone else.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

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So, keep telling yourself what makes you feel better.

IF not for a broken system that allows a looser like trump to claim an EC victory, we would have been done with him when Hillary beat him. By a larger margin, if I recall correctly.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
It seemed to me that you were implying that, but I’ll take you at your word. Now why do you think multiculturalism is hard to govern? What are the “cultures” that make the US so different than Scandinavian countries? How many people of these other cultures does it take to reach a critical mass that makes them hard to govern?
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You clearly understand the concept.
 
Callatoroy said:
Where is that happening?
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Stop being obtuse.

There was so much talk about how horrible antifa is/was by the republicans.

But, like you do with everything else, just pretend it didn't happen. Pretend you voted for a good business man. Pretend you voted for a good person. Pretend you didn't vote for a piece of shit.

Everything you present here shows that you live in a fantasy world, where trump isn't a cult lead, where he is actually a good business person, not simply a person who's dad propped him up from the beginning.
 
Callatoroy said:
I know after the ass kicking you guys took in the election that is all you have to cling to. Like an orphaned monkey clinging to a stuffed animal. But, the gains trump made in dem strong hold demographics was very telling. You guys still aren't seeing it though. I don't care if he didn't get 50%. Semantics is all the left has to comfort them. Your party and media has been exposed for what it is. All of your moral high ground has been eroded. The only thing that remains to be seen is do you wake up and face reality, or slide further into the basement and cloak yourselves in hypocrisy. My guess is, based on people on this board, the line to the basement door has formed.
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All I have seen from you continually for me than a month is preening from your own moral high ground.
 
Callatoroy said:
I mean the same way republicans and democrats have used the debt ceiling as a weapon when they don't get their way. Why is it so hard for you guys to call out crap when your side does it? Are you so fragile that you can't be objective?
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I’ll admit my ignorance or forgetfulness on this one.
When in the past have the democrats played politics with the debt ceiling? I have no reason to believe they have not in the past, but I cannot recall any off the top of my head.
I do realize they are doing it currently.
 
I hope that Callatoroy and everyone has the greatest Christmas ever. I hope that they are right that trump simply lied about everything and doesn't destroy the country.

Yes, they are completely correct, trump won. (Finally, beat someone in actual votes on his third try)

But, 2,288,383 or 1.5% of the voters, is not a mandate or an ass kicking in any way. It's not even a top 10 in margin.

I mean, Nixon won by 23%, Reagan by 18%, Clinton by 8%, Bush 1 by 7%, Obama by 7%, Carter by 2%, Trump (2024) 1.5%, trump (2016) -2%.
 
Callatoroy said:
I mean the same way republicans and democrats have used the debt ceiling as a weapon when they don't get their way. Why is it so hard for you guys to call out crap when your side does it? Are you so fragile that you can't be objective?
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Great.

Ok, so I try to find common ground. I agree that the debt ceiling is crap and should be done away with so that it isn't used in this way.

So, let's just get rid of it.

Same with the Electoral College. It really doesn't make sense that a person can lose the vote and win the election.

Are there other things we can agree upon? There probably are if we can get past the "Winning" and party bullshit.
 
Callatoroy said:
I mean the same way republicans and democrats have used the debt ceiling as a weapon when they don't get their way. Why is it so hard for you guys to call out crap when your side does it? Are you so fragile that you can't be objective?
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Sure. Can you show me an instance of the Democrats refusing to increase the debt ceiling (or simply threatening to do so) during a Republican administration? (FYI: I am not a Democrat, I have voted for my fair share of Republicans but not since Trump took over the party.).
 
UNCatTech said:
I hope that Callatoroy and everyone has the greatest Christmas ever. I hope that they are right that trump simply lied about everything and doesn't destroy the country.

Yes, they are completely correct, trump won. (Finally, beat someone in actual votes on his third try)

But, 2,288,383 or 1.5% of the voters, is not a mandate or an ass kicking in any way. It's not even a top 10 in margin.

I mean, Nixon won by 23%, Reagan by 18%, Clinton by 8%, Bush 1 by 7%, Obama by 7%, Carter by 2%, Trump (2024) 1.5%, trump (2016) -2%.
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I just hope they quit celebrating by having Ivanka time with their daughters.
 
UNCatTech said:
You're lies don't agree with the numbers.

Keep telling yourself that the orange turn actually did something historical, if it make you feel better. The numbers don't support it.

A 1.5% win isn't that staggering.

whyy.org

Trump falls just below 50% in popular vote, but gets more than in past elections

This year's popular-vote margin is the second-closest since 1968 and still tightening. It shows just how closely divided the country is politically, and that any shift to the right is marginal.
whyy.org whyy.org

Look, there's trump, just below Carter:
1735057832913.png

www.bbc.com

Just how big was Donald Trump’s election victory?

The US president-elect has emphasised the scale of his win – but data shows that most voters picked someone else.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

1735057933608.png

So, keep telling yourself what makes you feel better.

IF not for a broken system that allows a looser like trump to claim an EC victory, we would have been done with him when Hillary beat him. By a larger margin, if I recall correctly.
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Ahh, the broken system that has worked for 250 years. We didn't win - lets change the system. We didn't get our way - lets change the system. SC not the way we want it - lets change the system. Can't pass legislation - let's change the system. There is a clear pattern here.

Do you not see the irony in your comment of "so, keep telling yourself what makes you feel better." I'm not the one here acting like an lol fan arguing semantics and what ifs. That is your argument. Apparently that's all you have left to make yourself feel better. I'm good with the numbers. Winning the way the genius founding fathers designed they system is FAR more important (and the only way) than winning under some hypothetical system designed by the losers. You ran a demented candidate until you decided you couldn't. Then hand picked a candidate that had never won a single elector in the most anti-democratic process imaginable. Got your ass kicked in losing all 3 branches of g'ment, and now you want to beat your chest over some numbers that are ENTIRELY irrelevant and only relates to a fictitious system. That screams State fan. (note, i'm not calling you a state fan on Christmas Eve but is very much like their logic)
 
Callatoroy said:
Ahh, the broken system that has worked for 250 years. We didn't win - lets change the system. We didn't get our way - lets change the system. SC not the way we want it - lets change the system. Can't pass legislation - let's change the system. There is a clear pattern here.

Do you not see the irony in your comment of "so, keep telling yourself what makes you feel better." I'm not the one here acting like an lol fan arguing semantics and what ifs. That is your argument. Apparently that's all you have left to make yourself feel better. I'm good with the numbers. Winning the way the genius founding fathers designed they system is FAR more important (and the only way) than winning under some hypothetical system designed by the losers. You ran a demented candidate until you decided you couldn't. Then hand picked a candidate that had never won a single elector in the most anti-democratic process imaginable. Got your ass kicked in losing all 3 branches of g'ment, and now you want to beat your chest over some numbers that are ENTIRELY irrelevant and only relates to a fictitious system. That screams State fan. (note, i'm not calling you a state fan on Christmas Eve but is very much like their logic)
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Sort of like, we didn’t win, let’s storm Congress and overturn the election results with violence?
 
wmheel1287 said:
All I have seen from you continually for me than a month is preening from your own moral high ground.
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I have no moral high ground in politics. I voted for trump. I'm under no illusions and have great concern as to how he could abuse the system. The difference between me and most on here (not including you as I have given you props for calling crap out) is that I am willing to admit and own my party's f ups. Look at all those that defended the decision to pardon hunter. The most basic thing to call out and they folded like hypocrites do.
 
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