“Eat the Rich” memes spread, but is it a political movement?

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Paine said:
No, I don’t think that specifically. That’s why I said “stuff like.” Painfully obvious that you’re a lawyer, but that kind of pedantry isn’t really appealing to anyone but lawyers.

It’s the idea of: the government is giving out hand outs to everyone but average Americans.
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I'm not sure why people think it's lawyerly "pedantry" to call out things they say that don't hold up to scrutiny, but you and callatoroy have both done that recently. Maybe that's telling? Sorry for the equivalation, super.
 
Paine said:
The money given via CHIPS shouldn’t go to further enriching CEOs and other executives, it should 100% go to investing in America and Americans.
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seems like a bad idea to give labor policy to the commerce department. who thought that would end well? i know the commerce department was the administrator of the funds, but it has very little enforcement power. and it has no leverage. its not as if there are a million semiconductor companies just trying to get a foot in the door. if existing companies dont want unions, then theres very little the commerce department can do about that.

this sort of "side promotion" of unions rarely goes well. concessions to unions is a significant reason why its hard for the public sector to build things, and why also housing construction can be dicey. the key to running industry is flexibility and thats true even for unions. when union-related requirements get buried deep in zoning regs or chips act regs, they become super-hard to change and flexibility is gone. over time the entire sector becomes sclerotic.

the supreme court is a big part of the problem here, and that cant be ignored. it is reality though. shoving labor provisions into unrelated policies just doesnt work well at all.
 
Paine said:
It’s lawyerly pedantry to make people out to be saying things that they took explicit effort to not say in their post, especially when you don’t address any of the other parts of the post.

But sure, I’m just like callatoroy because I don’t agree with you.
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i hate being accused of saying things i took care not to, so i'm with you. not sure its lawyerly. lawyers are, in theory, supposed to do the opposite of that. not sure its pedantry either. it is fucking annoying. i didnt read the posts in question and they have slipped a few pages back so i have no opinion on the underlying merits but your frustration probably should occasion a change in tactic by your interlocutor, since you are a good faith poster.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
This might be the first time I’ve seen you admit the US is a racist country. Welcome to Woke Town. Enjoy your stay.
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I didn't say it was racist. I don't think it is racist within the context that I think most on the left do. I said race was a variable in the differences between our country and others.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
This is basically my concern as well. The Democratic Party needs to be a viable alternative to MAGA. Specifically, it needs to be a mature, thoughtful, problem-solving option rather than a different flavor of government by temper tantrum.
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Then it needs to quit focusing on culture wars and dei and get in the game because right now the American people only see one viable party and it isn't the left. I question if you can leave that behind. You guys just don't seem to get it. Voters are tired of they / them and just want to deal with everyday issues that affect their spending power and providing for their family. Woke is out. I think that makes the left mad though and the mindset is we won't let it be out.
 
lawtig02 said:
My concern is not that the left wing populists will take over the government. It's that they'll ruin the Democratic Party's remaining ability to be a stabilizing force in an extremely unstable political environment. We're already down to one functional party. If we lose that one, there's literally nothing to maintain the systems on which the nation -- and the world for that matter -- rely.
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What is left wing populism?
 
ChileG said:
So, the bailout to the farmers made necessary due to his tariffs aren’t something that you would characterize as socialism? Why not?

Also, I would think a person so concerned with socialism would vote for the candidate whose economic policies would result in less government spending than more.
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Farmers have been getting bailed out for decades. That's hardly new or limited to one party. I did vote for the candidate whose economic policies will result in less g'ment spending. DOGE for the win.
 
Callatoroy said:
Then it needs to quit focusing on culture wars and dei and get in the game because right now the American people only see one viable party and it isn't the left. I question if you can leave that behind. You guys just don't seem to get it. Voters are tired of they / them and just want to deal with everyday issues that affect their spending power and providing for their family. Woke is out. I think that makes the left mad though and the mindset is we won't let it be out.
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The focus on culture wars, DEI, etc isn't the Democratic party per se, but social 'progressives' that usually vote Democrat.

It's mostly the right-wing media that focuses on DEI and other culture war issues, and they love to tie it to the Democratic party so they can stir up hate amongst their viewers and get them to vote Republican. I have no interest one way or other about DEI and trans issues except that I, and most Democrats, want to see people treated fairly, with equal rights to the rest of us. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Paine said:
en.wikipedia.org

Left-wing populism - Wikipedia

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seriously. populism has been leftie for eons. its the rightwingers who are new to the game.

a problem with populism -- a problem that right-wingers exploit -- is that the "average" american is deeply prejudiced. this was certainly true in the heyday of populism which is one reason it fell out of favor. giving power to farmers in kansas might yield more equitable economic outcomes for the white straight folk but it gets tricky when you start accounting for gay people and minorities. and in america, the working classes have shown greater interest in culture wars than economic justice.
 
Paine said:
And if you’re interested in a book about it instead of Wiki:

tcfrank.com

The People, No

(2020) For my final political book, I decided to come to a reckoning with populism, the idea that has defined my career. Also with anti-populism, by which I mean the people who hate that idea. I start by showing why everything we think we know about populism is wrong. It is not, as certain...
tcfrank.com
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So a more radical leftist agenda. Socialism? Yea, you guys need more of the Jeff Jackson types stepping up but I'm not seeing it. Did see this and thought it played differently from my previous thoughts of him

 
Callatoroy said:
I didn't say it was racist. I don't think it is racist within the context that I think most on the left do. I said race was a variable in the differences between our country and others.
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So what is it about race in this country that makes it problematic?
 
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