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[UNCatTech]

Biblical literalism is a relatively new phenomenon, which started to arise with mass literacy in the 19th century, and in response to scientific findings that seemed to obviate some passages and texts. Before that, nobody really much cared....scripture was considered "inspired," not "inerrant" or "literally and factually true in every sentence"

Well, you again proved that you know much more of the history of this topic than i do.

This is not a negative or sarcastic. You do know more of the history of religions that I do. After reading this again it seemed a little sarcastic and that wasn't the intent.

 

[hedge]

a religious freak will never admit they are wrong. i warned my family at gatherings that jim and tammy faye bakker were nothing but fake greedy con artists. I was cast aside and almost stoned to death by them. when the shit hit the fan not one single apology from any of them. i rubbed it in their faces hardcore because thats just how i roll when i sense emotional weaknesses.

Not just emotional weakness, evidently. The shit hit the fan for Jim and Tammy Faye in the late 80's, I guess that means your family is now too old and physically weak to orchestrate a second stoning. Or at least a very effective one. I mean, they failed in the 80's, you'd have to think they've lost a little bit off their fastballs since then...

 

[TarSpiel]

I'll admit that my emotion and feelings tend to influence my responses. When I come across more harshly, it's typically because I'm not putting in a much though because of some life event.

Fair enough. I'm guilty of that a lot myself.

 

[Centerpiece]

great chart. I stand corrected. But how do we account for trumps rise in latino / Hispanic voting in 2024? He made serious in-roads. Maybe it just “seems” they don’t like gays and abortion, when in fact perhaps they’re on board with social issues like that. But we also have to admit, the trumpers and pubs always bashing them probably scares most of them Away from the pubs and to the dems.

 

[finesse]

My devout devotion to the Law of Parsimony leaves me cold to the idea of God, religion, the soul, prophecies and revelations. I'm aware that they could exist but ,with the parlay between them existing and being meaningful for the eyeblink we exist in the universe. I'm led to treat them as meaningless concepts. That said, I don't care what someone else believes.

The sticking point is that people insist that they not only have meaning but that I have to accept that they do. They are also convinced that they are better people because they believe that despite the fact that there is literally nothing about the origins of their religions that are verifiable or even believable. What ever happened to laissez faire?

 

[hedge]

Belief in a creator has probably been the default religious belief of humanity, from deep in our evolutionary past, and across culture.

People used to believe a lot of things. Citing the beliefs of illiterate goatherds, et al., from eons ago does not really move me to thereby respect religion in general or its current adherents' beliefs. As far as Christianity goes, Jesus told his followers that they should expect to be mocked for their beliefs, although he did sprinkle some sugar on it by saying they would be blessed thereby:

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

 

[Centerpiece]

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My devout devotion to the Law of Parsimony leaves me cold to the idea of God, religion, the soul, prophecies and revelations. I'm aware that they could exist but ,with the parlay between them existing and being meaningful for the eyeblink we exist in the universe. I'm led to treat them as meaningless concepts. That said, I don't care what someone else believes.

The sticking point is that people insist that they not only have meaning but that I have to accept that they do. They are also convinced that they are better people because they believe that despite the fact that there is literally nothing about the origins of their religions that are verifiable or even believable. What ever happened to laissez faire?

Yes, the old bible in one hand and sword in the other deal - “believe what I believe or I’ll run you through with me cutlass” . Nobody sees the Spanish Inquisition coming.

 

[Centerpiece]

 

[TarSpiel]

great chart. I stand corrected. But how do we account for trumps rise in latino / Hispanic voting in 2024? He made serious in-roads. Maybe it just “seems” they don’t like gays and abortion, when in fact perhaps they’re on board with social issues like that. But we also have to admit, the trumpers and pubs always bashing them probably scares most of them Away from the pubs and to the dems.

I think people misunderestimate how racist some latinos are against other latinos.

 

[altmin]

back on topic

 

[Bobfripp]

back on topic

Mr. Larian, I fart in your general direction!

 

[UNCatTech]

My devout devotion to the Law of Parsimony leaves me cold to the idea of God, religion, the soul, prophecies and revelations. I'm aware that they could exist but ,with the parlay between them existing and being meaningful for the eyeblink we exist in the universe. I'm led to treat them as meaningless concepts. That said, I don't care what someone else believes.

The sticking point is that people insist that they not only have meaning but that I have to accept that they do. They are also convinced that they are better people because they believe that despite the fact that there is literally nothing about the origins of their religions that are verifiable or even believable. What ever happened to laissez faire?

You know my vocabulary has improved quite a bit reading on these boards and the old IC boards.

I struggle a little with parsimony also, but I'm working on it. Listening to Ramit Sethi has helped me a lot.

And I completely agree with your statements here, 100%.

 

[UNCatTech]

I think people misunderestimate how racist some latinos are against other latinos.

This is puzzling.

 

[EyeballKid]

This is puzzling.

How so? We do ourselves a huge disservice by pretending that Latinos are a monolithic group free of prejudice against other Latinos.

 

[finesse]

This is puzzling.

Not so much to me. I think of my general opinion of people from, say, Florida or Alabama, as unfair as it might be, and know that I have a general bias going in. Seems about the same to me although with fewer actual declared wars.

However it's only a little stronger than I feel about people in general.

 

[4thgenheel]

How so? We do ourselves a huge disservice by pretending that Latinos are a monolithic group free of prejudice against other Latinos.

the right treats them like a monolith - they're all brown people or mexicans.

so its surprising to some when they wanna punch down on or turn against people who they're in the same boat with struggling against the tide of right wing american bigotry.

 

[duluoz]

Oh, have you listened to most of them?

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on especially the non-western people who believe in a creator. Indigenous religions all over the world, Shinto, Taoism, Hindus, Tengriism, bronze age polytheism, african tribal religion, Mesoamerican tribal religion, etc. You've found all of them to be "sheep" who insist that their understanding of the creator is the *only* true one?

These people you’re pointing out are not shaping public policy nor waging major wars though, are they.

If you want to get semantic and pick on “most” or ”many” then I’m happy to tighten that to say “most whose religions are having major negative impacts on global events.” Which I’m sure you knew I meant. Not many Bronze Age polytheists bombing people or ripping away women’s reproductive rights, last I checked.

 

[Centerpiece]

I think people misunderestimate how racist some latinos are against other latinos.

Agree. And I'm sure you meant "underestimate" or "mis-estimate" and not "misunderestimate" ... but we get your drift.

Yes indeed. The folks descended from Spain directly feel they are superior. Any indigenous peoples who were conquered by Spain, or any African peoples who were enslaved and brought to Spain-dominated territories are definitely looked down upon by the "Euro-Hispanics". The Mulattoes (or Mulata) are definitely frowned upon. Heck, talk to a Euro-Cubano about Mexicans and they'll give you an ear full. And that's just one example. Honestly, I don't know which group is looked down upon the most: Those descended from African slaves or the indigenous folk who were conquered and imperialized. My best guess is they are both treated with disdain equally. Need @donbosco to weigh in.

 

[UNCatTech]

How so? We do ourselves a huge disservice by pretending that Latinos are a monolithic group free of prejudice against other Latinos.

It's that it is toward their own people.

Not that racism is ever good or acceptable, it is just harder to understand within the same race.

But, I may just be being naive.

 

[duluoz]

I just think there are better ways of talking about religion than simply equating it to its worst representatives.

The worst representatives are the loudest and are aggressively persecuting non-believers and “nonconformists.” So they dominate the conversation, clearly. That’s not our choice, it was forced on us.

If the better representatives of these religions would rise up against those clowns, then we could have the more pleasant and idyllic exchanges you’re alluding to. Where are their voices? Why aren’t they winning followers over to a more tolerant worldview? Because until then, those conversations you’re referring to don’t amount to much, unfortunately. It’s rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.