Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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Calheel said:
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
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Not one of those has the personality or charisma to capture the types of lower propensity voters the Democrats probably need to win back in order to be able to win national presidential elections moving forward in the age of social media.

Don’t get me wrong. I think every single one of those folks you mentioned would be absolutely spectacular presidential candidates in 2028. I hope they are on the ticket in some combination. I’m just saying that I think you are greatly undervaluing Newsom’s ability to captivate low propensity morons who vote.
 
Calheel said:
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
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Dude. Getting elected is the only thing. There's no divided government. Come 2029, Dems are going to be shoving our policies down the GOP's throats they way they have been doing to America. We ain't got time for dicking around, taking years to get something done only to see the Theocratic Court rip it up. Come 2029, we going to be erasing the horrible aberration of the Trump years and if MAGA don't like it, deport their asses. Throw them in Alligator Alcatraz and let them rot. Turnaround is fair play.
 
Calheel said:
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
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There is no effective "working with a divided government" in DC at this point. The Republican Party does not compromise across the aisle (and barely within itself) and so any governing that happens is effectively done by one party alone.

Being able to "work with a divided government" is as pertinent to being POTUS at this point as knowing DOS commands is to using a new computer.
 
CFordUNC said:


I realize that it says nothing good about me that I find amusement in juvenile punching down, but since we have been subjected to it for the last decade, it’s funny to see someone punching back.
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Greg Abbott is the governor of a big state. You can't punch down on him.
 
mynameisbond said:
At least Newsome is publicly getting out front early to reach voters. Dems got caught with their pants around their ankles in 2024, with no contingency plan for Biden.
Personally, I think Pete Buttigieg would be an excellent VP.
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Yeah, and I think the other important thing to remember is, the opponent in 2028 is going to be… not Donald Trump. It might be JD Vance, it might be Marco Rubio, it might be Nikki Haley, it might be Ron DeSantis. If Newsom is already able to antagonize Donald Trump, any one of those above mentioned folks would be cannon fodder for him- Republican voters don’t even like them.
 
CFordUNC said:
I realize that it says nothing good about me that I find amusement in juvenile punching down, but since we have been subjected to it for the last decade, it’s funny to see someone punching back.
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While I understand where you're coming from, not mocking those who have had unfortunately medical issues should be a Dem principle that is followed no matter who is being discussed. (In reality, it should be a basic human principle, but we know how things are going politically for the last decade.)
 
SnoopRob said:
While I understand where you're coming from, not mocking those who have had unfortunately medical issues should be a Dem principle that is followed no matter who is being discussed. (In reality, it should be a basic human principle, but we know how things are going politically for the last decade.)
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Yeah, that’s a really good point, for sure. I do think you’re right. That’s definitely why I realize it says nothing good about me that I found some amusement in it.
 
CFordUNC said:
Fair enough.

I don’t know, man, I think your personal dislike of Newsom is overriding objectivity. If the economy is completely in the tank over the next few years directly as a result of the Republican president and Republican Congress, I think you and I could run at the top of the ticket for the Democratic Party in 2028 and win, much less someone handsome, articulate, and willing to spar with MAGA as Newsom is.
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Part of my dislike of Newsom is because I don’t want him to be the nominee because we will lose. So you have it a bit backwards. I’d be much more OK with Newsom if he were the governor of Alabama.
 
I think in this case refraining from using a common metaphor like "rolled over" (one that no one would hesitate to use in almost any situation) just b/c the target of it is wheelchair bound would be more condescending than not using. And anyway, fuck Greg Abbott...
 
SnoopRob said:
There is no effective "working with a divided government" in DC at this point. The Republican Party does not compromise across the aisle (and barely within itself) and so any governing that happens is effectively done by one party alone.

Being able to "work with a divided government" is as pertinent to being POTUS at this point as knowing DOS commands is to using a new computer.
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Well sure. If you have the house, senate and Supreme Court, you don’t need to work with divided government. But if you have all of those things, not sure you need any particular training for the position anyway.
 
mynameisbond said:
At least Newsome is publicly getting out front early to reach voters. Dems got caught with their pants around their ankles in 2024, with no contingency plan for Biden.
Personally, I think Pete Buttigieg would be an excellent VP.
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So the double white male ticket? Dems haven’t run that since Kerry/Edwards.
 
superrific said:
Dude. Getting elected is the only thing. There's no divided government. Come 2029, Dems are going to be shoving our policies down the GOP's throats they way they have been doing to America. We ain't got time for dicking around, taking years to get something done only to see the Theocratic Court rip it up. Come 2029, we going to be erasing the horrible aberration of the Trump years and if MAGA don't like it, deport their asses. Throw them in Alligator Alcatraz and let them rot. Turnaround is fair play.
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First, that is what you want. I seriously doubt it is what the democrats who run things want.

Second, unless the democrats take the senate and house and stack the Supreme Court, they are going to need to work with a divided government to get stuff done. You think the current court will let the democrats have the same free reign when they control the presidency?
 
Calheel said:
Part of my dislike of Newsom is because I don’t want him to be the nominee because we will lose. So you have it a bit backwards. I’d be much more OK with Newsom if he were the governor of Alabama.
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You don't know that we will definitively lose. Take it from me, as someone who knows a thing or two about the folly of making declarative statements about politics in this day and age. Newsom has every bit as much of a chance of winning as any other Democrat, and maybe more, if he's actually willing and able to be the lone person in the entire Democratic movement to stand up to the advancement of fascism in the United States.
 
CFordUNC said:
You don't know that we will definitively lose. Take it from me, as someone who knows a thing or two about the folly of making declarative statements about politics in this day and age. Newsom has every bit as much of a chance of winning as any other Democrat, and maybe more, if he's actually willing and able to be the lone person in the entire Democratic movement to stand up to the advancement of fascism in the United States.
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The people who like Newsom don’t fully appreciate the anti-California sentiment in modern politics. Much harder to win Nevada and Arizona with a California nominee.
 
Calheel said:
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
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Newsom is first to into the breach but a Beshear or Shapiro ticket with Whitmer as VP is more likely to win.

Newson's inescapable problem is - "Do you want the rest of the country to be California?" The answer from most Americans will be No. Every opponent's TV ads will have homeless squalor, price of housing, images of crime/violence/unrest, Hollywood types on the screen.
 
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