Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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SnoopRob said:
There is no effective "working with a divided government" in DC at this point. The Republican Party does not compromise across the aisle (and barely within itself) and so any governing that happens is effectively done by one party alone.

Being able to "work with a divided government" is as pertinent to being POTUS at this point as knowing DOS commands is to using a new computer.
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Then, Cooper is your guy. The pubs in NC have been intractable and scheming for a long time.
 
Calheel said:
The people who like Newsom don’t fully appreciate the anti-California sentiment in modern politics. Much harder to win Nevada and Arizona with a California nominee.
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I'll take your word on that, for sure, because I don't really know much about that angle, but I just have to imagine that all of the long-held notions in politics are evaporating by the day. Again, I just feel that if the economy is doing as godawful as it seems like it could be over the next few years, and if Newsom is willing and able to sustain his continued asskicking of MAGA, and assuming the GOP nominee is someone ultra-unpopular and un-motivating to the base as JD Vnace would be, it's hard for me to believe that even being from California would be a hindrance for Newsom.
 
Calheel said:
Well sure. If you have the house, senate and Supreme Court, you don’t need to work with divided government. But if you have all of those things, not sure you need any particular training for the position anyway.
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A Dem in the WH without control of both houses of Congress isn't going to achieve anything, no matter how much they try, because as soon as a Dem is in the WH the Republican mantra becomes "obstruct, obstruct, obstruct" at all costs.

The idea that working across the aisle is even a top-10 skill needed for a Dem POTUS candidate is silly because Pubs simply won't work with Dems no matter what. There's simply no right way to approach the topic when everything in the Pubs' political ecosystem is geared toward branding Dems as the enemy and refusing to engage with them in any realistic way.
 
Calheel said:
Part of my dislike of Newsom is because I don’t want him to be the nominee because we will lose. So you have it a bit backwards. I’d be much more OK with Newsom if he were the governor of Alabama.
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Of course— as you know— a Dem candidate who is governor of Alabama is not an option. Not only because it doesn’t presently exist in reality , but it also wouldn’t exist in theory in modern times. Kentucky and Kansas are the two unicorns that are otherwise DEEP red states with a democratic governor. But then the one issue you have with governors of red states or even red-leaning purple states (like NC) is that those governors generally come across as milquetoast because they have to walk a fine line with their state.

The last Dem presidential nominee from a red state was Al Gore in 2000. And of course he had been Vice President for the previous eight years and had not been in a Tennessee-elected office for eight years. The last Dem presidential nominee from a currently red state who held elected office in that state at the time he ran for president was Bill Clinton in 1992. But Arkansas was not a red state at the time. I don’t think there’s ever been a Dem presidential nominee who held office in a state that was otherwise a red state at the time they were running for president.
 
SnoopRob said:
While I understand where you're coming from, not mocking those who have had unfortunately medical issues should be a Dem principle that is followed no matter who is being discussed. (In reality, it should be a basic human principle, but we know how things are going politically for the last decade.)
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I don't even think Newsoms intent was to mock Abbott. "Rolling over for someone" is a popular phrase.
 
SnoopRob said:
It may not have been initially. The response from his office regarding the use of the phrase was in poor taste.
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While true, it's past time for giving a shit. The Pubs have said and done MUCH MUCH worse for years. The Dems need to fight fire with fire. Once we're past this inflection point, we can worry about returning to a state of normalcy.
 
Calheel said:
You think the current court will let the democrats have the same free reign when they control the presidency?
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I do not, which is why the first order of business is to strip the Supreme Court of appellate jurisdiction and create a new appellate court to rule them all. Supreme Court will have its Article III original jurisdiction and nothing else.

I'll bet the lion's share of Dems want the same thing I do. I'd estimate my position as consonant with the majority. I also think there will be hydraulic pressure on Dems to scrap all the shit that has been holding the country back. No more filibuster, no more bullshit from the Supreme Court, no more gerrymandering and no more tolerance for GOP lawbreaking and mendacity.
 
donbosco said:
McConnell stained the court with his Senate shenanigans. The Democrats ought to pack it.
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No. We ought to negate it. Replace it with an appellate body that has the features we want -- i.e. rotating membership, limitations on discretion, no fucking originalism bullshit, etc.

I have some ideas on how to make that appellate body unrepealable, but those are admittedly wild and I don't think people would go for them.
 
CFordUNC said:
I would agree that Newsome is probably the front runner as of right now for 2028 – and obviously many things can and will change, probably several times over, between now and then – but even if he does not end up being the nominee, I think what he is doing to mainstream the mockery and derision of MAGA is exactly what the doctor ordered in this moment. For 10 years now, not one single solitary other Democrat has effectively figured out how to punch Trumpers in the mouth. Tim Walz did it successfully for like three weeks until a bunch of weenie democratic consulting class type people shut it down. Newsom has the platform, the charisma, and the ability and willingness to punch Trump where it hurts the most.
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With the exception of Obama, America seems to like their straight, white guys.

Dems should go that route if they want to have a chance.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Of course— as you know— a Dem candidate who is governor of Alabama is not an option. Not only because it doesn’t presently exist in reality , but it also wouldn’t exist in theory in modern times. Kentucky and Kansas are the two unicorns that are otherwise DEEP red states with a democratic governor. But then the one issue you have with governors of red states or even red-leaning purple states (like NC) is that those governors generally come across as milquetoast because they have to walk a fine line with their state.

The last Dem presidential nominee from a red state was Al Gore in 2000. And of course he had been Vice President for the previous eight years and had not been in a Tennessee-elected office for eight years. The last Dem presidential nominee from a currently red state who held elected office in that state at the time he ran for president was Bill Clinton in 1992. But Arkansas was not a red state at the time. I don’t think there’s ever been a Dem presidential nominee who held office in a state that was otherwise a red state at the time they were running for president.
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Tennessee wasn't really red in 2000. It was getting there, but it had been blueish (not presidentially) not that long prior. It still had some purple tones to it in 2000
 
superrific said:
Tennessee wasn't really red in 2000. It was getting there, but it had been blueish (not presidentially) not that long prior. It still had some purple tones to it in 2000
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I think it officially became red as of 2000. Both Senators at the time were Republican (and everyone who came after them were Republican). The governor was Republican (though the next one would be the last Democratic governor ). And perhaps most significantly, Al Gore could not carry that state despite it being his home state.
 
superrific said:
I do not, which is why the first order of business is to strip the Supreme Court of appellate jurisdiction and create a new appellate court to rule them all. Supreme Court will have its Article III original jurisdiction and nothing else.

I'll bet the lion's share of Dems want the same thing I do. I'd estimate my position as consonant with the majority. I also think there will be hydraulic pressure on Dems to scrap all the shit that has been holding the country back. No more filibuster, no more bullshit from the Supreme Court, no more gerrymandering and no more tolerance for GOP lawbreaking and mendacity.
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That seems like a lot of wishcasting. Don’t think dems will have the numbers or fortitude to do what you are hoping for.
 
Calheel said:
That seems like a lot of wishcasting. Don’t think dems will have the numbers or fortitude to do what you are hoping for.
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I guess we will see. If we win the presidency in 2028, I think we will almost assuredly have the Senate and the House also.

I think the GOP has become so radicalized under Trump that Dems will realize that they cannot pretend it's business as usual. More importantly, our job #1 is going to be assure the world that Trump cannot happen again. If Trump is an aberration and we make it so he can't happen again, then we can get rid of the goodwill we lost, the free trade agreements that were so good for us. We could attract scientists to come back, we won't be pariahs on the world stage. But if we don't make structural reforms, it's over.

So I suspect Dems will have no choice but to take radical action.

Of course, if everyone assumes that nothing will be done, then nothing will be done.

Edit to add: and of course it's wishcasting. What are the options? Political forecasting is hard six months in advance. 3.5 years in advance is impossible.
 
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