Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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I have not been a Gavin "fan boy" but I sure do appreciate him standing up, taking it to Trump, and alerting the media and country that we must do what we can to impede this creep of autocracy.

Now some will view this as a stunt to gain publicity in order to further his presidential aspirations for 2028. If that be the case, then so be it.

Notwithstanding supposed motives, he is laying down the gauntlet and I hope he continues to bring attention to the existential threat to our American democracy.

At this point Gavin and Jasmine Crockett lead the vanguard. I hope heretofore tepid Dem leaders will join the vanguard.
 
I would agree that Newsome is probably the front runner as of right now for 2028 – and obviously many things can and will change, probably several times over, between now and then – but even if he does not end up being the nominee, I think what he is doing to mainstream the mockery and derision of MAGA is exactly what the doctor ordered in this moment. For 10 years now, not one single solitary other Democrat has effectively figured out how to punch Trumpers in the mouth. Tim Walz did it successfully for like three weeks until a bunch of weenie democratic consulting class type people shut it down. Newsom has the platform, the charisma, and the ability and willingness to punch Trump where it hurts the most.
 
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I recognize that I am probably a lot closer ideologically to the Lincoln Project goobers than I am to true liberals, and I recognize that the Lincoln Project guys have not endeared themselves to the left through the years, but I think they’ve been absolutely spot on for a while now about how to goad Trump. It feels to me like establishment Democrats have been so reluctant for the last decade to actually get down in the mud and the muck with Trump and his dipshit supporters, but it may quite literally be the only effective way to combat them.
 


I recognize that I am probably a lot closer ideologically to the Lincoln Project goobers than I am to true liberals, and I recognize that the Lincoln Project guys have not endeared themselves to the left through the years, but I think they’ve been absolutely spot on for a while now about how to goad Trump.

Sure, they goad Trump. Their actual effect on elections seems grossly underwhelming compared to the effort and money they spend.

I'm not sure I want to copy them. I don't think Newsom is. I think Newsom realizes this type of shit gets attention, and attention is the hardest thing to get.
 
I would agree that Newsome is probably the front runner as of right now for 2028 – and obviously many things can and will change, probably several times over, between now and then – but even if he does not end up being the nominee, I think what he is doing to mainstream the mockery and derision of MAGA is exactly what the doctor ordered in this moment. For 10 years now, not one single solitary other Democrat has effectively figured out how to punch Trumpers in the mouth. Tim Walz did it successfully for like three weeks until a bunch of weenie democratic consulting class type people shut it down. Newsom has the platform, the charisma, and the ability and willingness to punch Trump where it hurts the most.
I agree that he's likely the front-runner (almost by default right now) at this stage. i don't think he'll end up being the Dem nominee in 2028, mostly because I think being from California will be too big of an obstacle for him to overcome at the national level.

JMHO, but it shows how absolutely screwed up our national political scene is when being governor of California - the largest, most diverse state in the union - is likely a negative in national politics. Outside of VPOTUS and maybe a couple of Cabinet positions, there is not a position in the US that would better prepare someone for the challenges of the WH than Governor of California...yet it will be viewed as a negative trait by many across our country.
 
I would agree that Newsome is probably the front runner as of right now for 2028 – and obviously many things can and will change, probably several times over, between now and then – but even if he does not end up being the nominee, I think what he is doing to mainstream mockery and division of MAGA is exactly what the doctor ordered in this moment. For 10 years now, not one single solitary other Democrat has effectively figured out how to punch Trumpers in the mouth. Tim Walz did it successfully for like three weeks until a bunch of weenie democratic consulting class type people shut it down. Newsom has the platform, the charisma, and the ability and willingness to punch Trump where it hurts the most.
Couldn't agree more. The whole "weirdo" charge was really getting under their skins and actually had Trumpers on the defensive for awhile and was dominating the news and social media cycle in a way that Democrats hadn't been able to do against Trump before, and then Democrats just abruptly dropped the topic. They wouldn't have won the election with it, but at least they had something that had even Trump flummoxed until they stopped using it.
 
I agree that he's likely the front-runner (almost by default right now) at this stage. i don't think he'll end up being the Dem nominee in 2028, mostly because I think being from California will be too big of an obstacle for him to overcome at the national level.

JMHO, but it shows how absolutely screwed up our national political scene is when being governor of California - the largest, most diverse state in the union - is likely a negative in national politics. Outside of VPOTUS and maybe a couple of Cabinet positions, there is not a position in the US that would better prepare someone for the challenges of the WH than Governor of California...yet it will be viewed as a negative trait by many across our country.
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
 
Sure, they goad Trump. Their actual effect on elections seems grossly underwhelming compared to the effort and money they spend.

I'm not sure I want to copy them. I don't think Newsom is. I think Newsom realizes this type of shit gets attention, and attention is the hardest thing to get.
Fair enough.
Then we are going to lose. If democrats are stupid enough to nominate another Californian for the presidency, then we will get to enjoy another 4-8 years of Republican rule.
I don’t know, man, I think your personal dislike of Newsom is overriding objectivity. If the economy is completely in the tank over the next few years directly as a result of the Republican president and Republican Congress, I think you and I could run at the top of the ticket for the Democratic Party in 2028 and win, much less someone handsome, articulate, and willing to spar with MAGA as Newsom is.
 
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
Not one of those has the personality or charisma to capture the types of lower propensity voters the Democrats probably need to win back in order to be able to win national presidential elections moving forward in the age of social media.

Don’t get me wrong. I think every single one of those folks you mentioned would be absolutely spectacular presidential candidates in 2028. I hope they are on the ticket in some combination. I’m just saying that I think you are greatly undervaluing Newsom’s ability to captivate low propensity morons who vote.
 
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
Dude. Getting elected is the only thing. There's no divided government. Come 2029, Dems are going to be shoving our policies down the GOP's throats they way they have been doing to America. We ain't got time for dicking around, taking years to get something done only to see the Theocratic Court rip it up. Come 2029, we going to be erasing the horrible aberration of the Trump years and if MAGA don't like it, deport their asses. Throw them in Alligator Alcatraz and let them rot. Turnaround is fair play.
 
Governing a one-party state, even a big one, is not good preparation for the presidency. Beshear, Cooper, Whitmer and Shapiro all have more practical skills in working with a divided government.
There is no effective "working with a divided government" in DC at this point. The Republican Party does not compromise across the aisle (and barely within itself) and so any governing that happens is effectively done by one party alone.

Being able to "work with a divided government" is as pertinent to being POTUS at this point as knowing DOS commands is to using a new computer.
 


I realize that it says nothing good about me that I find amusement in juvenile punching down, but since we have been subjected to it for the last decade, it’s funny to see someone punching back.

Greg Abbott is the governor of a big state. You can't punch down on him.
 
At least Newsome is publicly getting out front early to reach voters. Dems got caught with their pants around their ankles in 2024, with no contingency plan for Biden.
Personally, I think Pete Buttigieg would be an excellent VP.
Yeah, and I think the other important thing to remember is, the opponent in 2028 is going to be… not Donald Trump. It might be JD Vance, it might be Marco Rubio, it might be Nikki Haley, it might be Ron DeSantis. If Newsom is already able to antagonize Donald Trump, any one of those above mentioned folks would be cannon fodder for him- Republican voters don’t even like them.
 
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