GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender Americans

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ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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If someone votes for Trump because they want to marginalize people, then there is no changing them. FUCK them.

And, even if it will make my life harder, I hope Trump does absolutely everything he promised and completely fucks the economy and the country.

That's the only way some will wake up.

But since he's getting the benefits of a good economy going the right direction, his cult will think things are grand.

Just look at the change in perception of the economy since the election.
 
ZenMode said:
What is bad? In this thread, I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.

Maybe I missed it, not only here but in the liberal media in general, but I see virtually no concern for the side of biological females.
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Yea, like Nancy Mace, who just a few years ago claimed to be supportive of LBGTQ people. Well, until she realized that wasn't accepted by the cult.

Trans women already go into bathrooms. No one would care if the cult wasn't constantly reminding everyone to be scared of something that isn't really an issue.
 
lawtig02 said:
What about the many biological women who aren’t comfortable having biological women who present as men using their restrooms/locker rooms/showers? Why are you not concerned about them?
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I've said before that there's no obvious, great solution to the problem. No matter how you roll the dice, it's ultimately a zero sum game that involves more than just restrooms/locker rooms and showers.

The primary concern I've heard is biological men in biological women's areas. That doesn't mean there aren't concerns with other rolling of the dice.
 
ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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So, how often do you or anyone you know go into a public restroom and verify the biology of each person in the restroom?

You don't, none of us do. The fuss is made up.

If women are that worried about trans women, why wouldn't they be worried about straight men that might actually be attracted to women and be preditors?

I mean you do realize that the majority of trans women are not interested in women, don't you?
 
ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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This is the normal methodology of the right take to the focus away from the actual issue and focus on the fear that gets them the votes they want.

This is a great example. The right keeps talking about trans women in sports and trans women in bathrooms, all the while red states are proposing laws to control LBGTQ medical rights.
 
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UNCatTech said:
So, how often do you or anyone you know go into a public restroom and verify the biology of each person in the restroom?

You don't, none of us do. The fuss is made up.

If women are that worried about trans women, why wouldn't they be worried about straight men that might actually be attracted to women and be preditors?

I mean you do realize that the majority of trans women are not interested in women, don't you?
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"The fuss is made up."

According to who?

While restrooms are probably the least concerning, you aren't in a position to speak for probably more than a couple of women, much less all women.

As I said originally, and as you reinforced with your "fuss" comment, there seems to be concern for the feelings and comfort of only one side of the issue on the Democratic side. I'm sure there are more Seth Moulton's that see the other side, but it seems to be rarely expressed in public or on TV/social media/chat forums, etc.

Yes, politics drives people to exaggerate and grandstand .
 
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Yes, politics drives people to exaggerate and grandstand .

Since that is mostly the Republican side, lie seems more appropriate. I know all politicians do it but one party has made it their go to move.
 
ZenMode said:
What is bad? In this thread, I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.

Maybe I missed it, not only here but in the liberal media in general, but I see virtually no concern for the side of biological females.
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I can't tell if you're using inaccurate and inconsistent language intentionally.

No one wants men in the women's room. Trans women are women. Trans men are men.

Women in the women's room, men in the men's room.
 
finesse said:
Yes, politics drives people to exaggerate and grandstand .

Since that is mostly the Republican side, lie seems more appropriate. I know all politicians do it but one party has made it their go to move.
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Yes, Republican politicians are maximizing the rage for political benefit. That can be true and it can also be true that there is legitimate concern among voters on the right, center and left regarding biological men in women's areas. A lack of acknowledgement for that legitimate concern is an issue, IMO.
 
A legitimate concern? Maybe. However, if this ever negatively affects .5% of people in the US directly and not because of feigned political outrage, I'd be surprised. I could start on the other million or so things that affect more people more directly but everybody can see it and you won't admit it. I don't expect good faith arguments from you so I seldom take you seriously. It's not like you offer much in the way of support of your positions other than anecdotes and a few heavily sanitized or out of context statistics.

However, you do amuse me so carry on.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes, Republican politicians are maximizing the rage for political benefit. That can be true and it can also be true that there is legitimate concern among voters on the right, center and left regarding biological men in women's areas. A lack of acknowledgement for that legitimate concern is an issue, IMO.
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Again you are using inconsistent and inaccurate language.

Male and female are biological terms. Man and woman are gendered terms. There's no such thing a a "biological man."

Is this conflation intentional?
 
StrangePackage said:
Again you are using inconsistent and inaccurate language.

Male and female are biological terms. Man and woman are gendered terms. There's no such thing a a "biological man."

Is this conflation intentional?
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When I use biological male or biological man, it's a reference to the same thing. I generally use the term biological male. You are welcome to use specific language and terms however you'd like.
 
ZenMode said:
When I use biological male or biological man, it's a reference to the same thing. I generally use the term biological male. You are welcome to use specific language and terms however you'd like.
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That's a non answer, and a particularly stupid one at that.

The term biological male is scientifically and linguistically accurate. The term biological man is neither, and in the context of this issue begs the question of whether or not trans people are valid.

Would you agree that trans men are men?
 
ZenMode said:
When I use biological male or biological man, it's a reference to the same thing. I generally use the term biological male. You are welcome to use specific language and terms however you'd like.
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What if they have two separate DNAs in one body of different sexes but have fathered a child?
 
finesse said:
What if they have two separate DNAs in one body of different sexes but have fathered a child?
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I don't know. I would probably call that a biological irregularity or abnormality. The fact that you are able to describe an irregularity based on two established norms, and I'm able to understand what you are getting at, only reinforces that we both understand that there are two established biological norms.

The people who are concerned about biological males in women's areas surely also understand the two established biological norms.
 
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ZenMode said:
I don't know. I would probably call that a biological irregularity or abnormality. The fact that you are able to describe an irregularity based on two established norms, and I'm able to understand what you are getting at, only reinforces that we both understand that there are two established biological norms.
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The fact that I point out those two biological norms can blend proves beyond doubt that your binary approach is a total fallacy.

I don't know how much you understand. I have a good idea about what you're willing to admit. I assume the former is greater than the latter. I like playing word games and the like and I can be disingenuous as well but I don't get the point in the overt dishonesty in your approach.
 
ZenMode said:
What is bad? In this thread, I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.

Maybe I missed it, not only here but in the liberal media in general, but I see virtually no concern for the side of biological females.
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Your continued insistence on referring to trans women as "men" is your blind spot and devalues your opinion on the matter significantly.
 
Not really. You can engage in mockery much more believably with only a modicum of intellectual effort. I guess I've always hated sloppy craftmanship.
 
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