GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender Americans

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UNCatTech said:
How could we express it where you would see it?
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Not sure what you mean, but I'm planning on this being my last post. What I'm saying is largely falling on deaf ears.
Should I say: "Cis women, I hear you. But there is no support to the fear that you have caused by the right's political agenda to keep you scared to go into restrooms and locker rooms" ?
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"But there is no support to the fear...."

It's not just about fear of sexual assault. It's also not just about restrooms. It's about males in girl's/women's sports. It's about males in girl's/women's locker rooms and showers.

The only concern that is acknowledged here is concern about the feelings of trans men and women and THEIR feelings and THEIR comfort. The feelings of cis women are swept aside. In fact they are ridiculed for even having them. As I noted on my second post:

I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.

You have now added an additional layer justification for disregarding the comfort and feelings of cis women: (summarizing) "You don't really feel the way you feel. You're just being brainwashed by the political right."

The views of most every poster in this thread are that trans people are uncomfortable being in the restroom/locker room/shower that doesn't align with their "gender" and that uncomfortableness is a feeling that should be addressed by allowing them to go into the restroom/locker room/shower that makes them feel comfortable.

Well, if trans people have feelings of uncomfortableness about being in areas that don't align with their gender, why wouldn't cis women have equal and opposite feelings and uncomfortableness at the prospect of having people of the wrong sex in their areas?
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure what you mean, but I'm planning on this being my last post. What I'm saying is largely falling on deaf ears.
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No, it is not. We hear you, we simply disagree.

You keep claiming that the 99.9% are scared of the .1%, but you provide no data supporting why they should be scared. Then when we point out that the right is blowing this out of proportion, you simply say we are not listening. AGAIN.
 
ZenMode said:
Well, if trans people have feelings of uncomfortableness about being in areas that don't align with their gender, why wouldn't cis women have equal and opposite feelings and uncomfortableness at the prospect of having people of the wrong sex in their areas?
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Are you really making this comparison?

Trans women and women that don't fit feminine norms are persecuted every day, not just in bathrooms. The men are mostly the issue in both cases.

Provide examples of CIS women that fit feminine norms in appearance being harassed by bro culture, see how that compares to trans women.

I also mention women that don't fit feminine norms, because I've seen occurrences of biological women being harassed in bathrooms and other places because they "MIGHT" be trans.

The whole thing is nothing more than fear giving people a license to harass people for no damn reason. Just go to the bathroom, go in the stall, alone, and do your business. Stop worrying about the person in the stall next to you.
 
Question for @ZenMode, do you honestly look at every other person in a public restroom and wonder what's between their legs? Do the women you know go into the restroom and interrogate each person in there about what's between their legs?

Do you know anyone that's knowingly been in the restroom with a trans person?
 
Having never been in a women’s locker room myself, do women really walk around naked in front of each other? I assume not but maybe I’m naive. Zen, you have any experience with this?
 
UNCatTech said:
Question for @ZenMode, do you honestly look at every other person in a public restroom and wonder what's between their legs? Do the women you know go into the restroom and interrogate each person in there about what's between their legs?

Do you know anyone that's knowingly been in the restroom with a trans person?
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Dude, he said that was going to be his last post on this thread. Why are you goading him to continue posting his nonsense?
 
ZenMode said:
Not sure what you mean, but I'm planning on this being my last post. What I'm saying is largely falling on deaf ears.

"But there is no support to the fear...."

It's not just about fear of sexual assault. It's also not just about restrooms. It's about males in girl's/women's sports. It's about males in girl's/women's locker rooms and showers.

The only concern that is acknowledged here is concern about the feelings of trans men and women and THEIR feelings and THEIR comfort. The feelings of cis women are swept aside. In fact they are ridiculed for even having them. As I noted on my second post:
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You admitted you were wrong about gay marriage because you believed the bullshit, and now you are all-in on repeating the same mistake. Have some self-respect, geez. Fool me once, fool me twice -- you know, all of that stuff.

Let's run a thought experiment. Suppose that 25% of cis women are really bothered by trans women in the bathroom (keep in mind that you've produced zero evidence that women actually think this is a problem, but let's go with it). 25% of cis women want "bathroom of sex assigned at birth." And 75% of women, understanding what that actually means in real life (i.e. it means men in the bathroom), do not want it. You would have us falling over ourselves crying for the 25% -- who you assert exist, though again have provided zero evidence for (and no, I'm not going to accept self-serving face time on TV from political actors, just as I wouldn't accept that as evidence on any issue). Why are they so special? Because they fit your narrative?
 
UNCatTech said:
Question for @ZenMode, do you honestly look at every other person in a public restroom and wonder what's between their legs? Do the women you know go into the restroom and interrogate each person in there about what's between their legs?

Do you know anyone that's knowingly been in the restroom with a trans person?
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Like I have said several times, this is not just an issue of restrooms. Out of the four things I've mentioned, sports, restrooms, locker rooms and showers, restrooms is probably the least concerning. It also isn't just a private sector issue. This would be a potential issue in public junior highs and high schools.
 
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superrific said:
You admitted you were wrong about gay marriage because you believed the bullshit, and now you are all-in on repeating the same mistake. Have some self-respect, geez. Fool me once, fool me twice -- you know, all of that stuff.

Let's run a thought experiment. Suppose that 25% of cis women are really bothered by trans women in the bathroom (keep in mind that you've produced zero evidence that women actually think this is a problem, but let's go with it). 25% of cis women want "bathroom of sex assigned at birth." And 75% of women, understanding what that actually means in real life (i.e. it means men in the bathroom), do not want it. You would have us falling over ourselves crying for the 25% -- who you assert exist, though again have provided zero evidence for (and no, I'm not going to accept self-serving face time on TV from political actors, just as I wouldn't accept that as evidence on any issue). Why are they so special? Because they fit your narrative?
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He wants to protect them whether they want it or not.
 
lawtig02 said:
Having never been in a women’s locker room myself, do women really walk around naked in front of each other? I assume not but maybe I’m naive. Zen, you have any experience with this?
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I've been going to LA Fitness/Esporta Fitness gyms for decades. Yes, I have seen plenty of naked men going to or coming from the showers.
 
ZenMode said:
I've been going to LA Fitness/Esporta Fitness gyms for decades. Yes, I have seen plenty of naked men going to or coming from the showers.
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Have you been in the women's shower? When I was doing commercial construction, there was a serious difference in the placement of privacy panels and the like between women's restrooms and lockers and men's. Now, that was 20+ years ago but I still expect that what you see for men are not the same as what women experience. I don't see where your experience is relevant at all.
 
lawtig02 said:
Having never been in a women’s locker room myself, do women really walk around naked in front of each other? I assume not but maybe I’m naive. Zen, you have any experience with this?
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I know, right? Where are all these naked women walking around in front of each other?
 
ZenMode said:
I've been going to LA Fitness/Esporta Fitness gyms for decades. Yes, I have seen plenty of naked men going to or coming from the showers.
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Have you seen that commercial where the dad says, "Everything I'm wearing, I've had since boot camp" and then the screen shows the phrase "Weird flex"?

That flex has nothing on this one for weirdness.
 
ZenMode said:
Like I have said several times, this is not just an issue of restrooms. Out of the four things I've mentioned, sports, restrooms, locker rooms and showers, restrooms is probably the least concerning. It also isn't just a private sector issue. This would be a potential issue in public junior highs and high schools.
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Ok, then substitute locker room for restroom, or shower, or sports.

The problem is you see them differently, when they are all the same in that the right is putting out this bullshit, when the numbers are basically nonexistent.

300million+ people in the US. The only area with examples is women's sports, where we have less than .0000001% participation. And those didn't attack women, they played sports with them. The same as you probably did at some point in life.

You have provided no examples of trans women attacking women in restrooms, showers, or locker rooms.

So, stop with the bs and answer the question.
 
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ZenMode said:
I've been going to LA Fitness/Esporta Fitness gyms for decades. Yes, I have seen plenty of naked men going to or coming from the showers.
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Did you check to see if their junk was real? Make sure there were no scars from the attachment surgery?

This is a perfect example, no one is examining others in locker rooms.

My wife has mentioned that women walk around naked also. She's never seen anyone checking to make sure that the vaginas are original and that nothing was removed.

I can just see Zen now asking the guy in the locker room if his penis is factory equipment.
 
lawtig02 said:
He wants to protect them whether they want it or not.
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It's interesting that they want to protect them weather they want it or not in this area but fuck'em if they need medical attention during pregnancy that requires termination of the pregnancy to save the life of the mother. They don't want to protect them then.
 
lawtig02 said:
Having never been in a women’s locker room myself, do women really walk around naked in front of each other? I assume not but maybe I’m naive. Zen, you have any experience with this?
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According to my wife they do, but we have limited locker exposure.

At the YMCA that I used to go to, someone complained about the hanging dicks, so they asked men to wear a swimsuit in the in-locker sauna and other facilities and to cover themselves with a towel when moving around the locker.

In all of my years in gym lockers, I never cared about any other guy, clothed or not.

Maybe had I seen Arnold Palmer I would have had to take another look... 😁
 
UNCatTech said:
It's interesting that they want to protect them weather they want it or not in this area but fuck'em if they need medical attention during pregnancy that requires termination of the pregnancy to save the life of the mother. They don't want to protect them then.
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There are quite literally stories of pregnant women who have died in red states like Texas because they could not get lifesaving medical attention due to the extremely harsh and restrictive abortion laws in their states, and yet conservatives are not bothered at all. Probably because they never hear such stories on right-wing media or they just refuse to believe them. Or, as you said, they just don't care what happens to other women outside their own friends and family.
 
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