GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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HeelYeah2012 said:
Disagree. One is external to the self and is based on what someone likes. The other is trying to change the definition of self.

Not much sense in continuing the conversation when we disagree on this core point, but I do appreciate the back and forth.
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Disagree all you want, you are wrong. But hey at least you gave us permission to disagree with you. :unsure:

And there are multiple examples in the world where animals naturally change sex.

You know every newborn clown fish is male, they transition into females later in life as needed.

You do also realize that male or female all humans start out the same in the womb, correct? You do realize that humans are born with both sex organs, correct?
 
Calheel said:
The best thing for you would be to actually befriend and get to know real trans people. I am confident that would change your perspective. Absent that, the next best thing would be to educate yourself on the subject with sources other than social media. The video I linked is a good start, but there is a lot of research in this area. Saying "this is what I fundamentally believe and I will not change my mind" is not a very good way to go through life.
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It might be better for him, but I wouldn't consider it safe for trans people.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
“The science” referred to this as gender identity disorder until they changed it on a dime like 10 years ago to gender dysphoria. Excuse me if I don’t take that science as the gospel. This is absolutely an area that is highly up for debate.

You sound like the wackos who dismiss anyone that doesn’t go along with believing humans can dictate the global climate in a meaningful way.
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Really HY? You don't believe in climate change either? Wow.
 
Calheel said:
The best thing for you would be to actually befriend and get to know real trans people. I am confident that would change your perspective. Absent that, the next best thing would be to educate yourself on the subject with sources other than social media. The video I linked is a good start, but there is a lot of research in this area. Saying "this is what I fundamentally believe and I will not change my mind" is not a very good way to go through life.
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I never said I’m not open to changing my mind. I have an open mind to that on all subjects and I already told you I would check out the video you linked when I have time.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
“The science” referred to this as gender identity disorder until they changed it on a dime like 10 years ago to gender dysphoria. Excuse me if I don’t take that science as the gospel. This is absolutely an area that is highly up for debate.

You sound like the wackos who dismiss anyone that doesn’t go along with believing humans can dictate the global climate in a meaningful way.
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Yeah, science has a habit of changing as the acquire more information. But I’m the wacko.
 
Calheel said:
The best thing for you would be to actually befriend and get to know real trans people. I am confident that would change your perspective. Absent that, the next best thing would be to educate yourself on the subject with sources other than social media. The video I linked is a good start, but there is a lot of research in this area. Saying "this is what I fundamentally believe and I will not change my mind" is not a very good way to go through life.
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The issue will be recognizing a trans person. Every trans person I know, one would not know unless they are told.

I guess he could go somewhere where there is a greater chance of meeting a trans person.
 
nycfan said:
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This executive order doesn't just focus on teachers not being allowed to call transgender students by their preferred name, but it is considerably more broad in that it attacks the whole idea of discussing the darker parts and uglier aspects of American history. Teaching that the United States has not been "fundamentally racist, sexist, or discriminatory" throughout its history is a flat-out lie. Yes there have certainly been improvements, but there have also been setbacks and the job is still far from finished. This EO comes directly from what GOP governors like DeSantis in Florida or Abbott in Texas have been doing for the past several years, and from what conservative education activists like Chris Rufo have been pushing.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I hear you, and I’m sure some people have made that argument. I might have made that argument myself when I was young & naive but I, like so many others, have grown to accept homosexuality without even a 2nd thought with the passage of time.

The major difference here is that being homosexual is literally based on something that we’ve all experienced: you like what you like, and you can’t help it much. Whether that’s talking about a romantic interest or a favorite food. Can’t really help what you like. Being transgender is a lot different than that because you are trying to convince someone that you literally *are* something you are not.

If someone says “I like spinach” who am I to tell them they are wrong? But if someone says “I literally am spinach” it’s ok for society to tell them they aren’t. Just my opinion and I don’t mind if you disagree.
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Wow.
  • “…..I literally am spinach….”
 
hedge said:
I trust science a lot more than I trust the gospels (speaking of an area that is absolutely highly up for debate)...
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I completely agree that the gospels is an area that is highly up for debate, and I would look silly if I sat here and tried to speak about them like they were clearly correct and anyone who disagreed was a buffoon.

But that's exactly what people here do when someone suggests that being transgender is a mental disorder, despite the fact that scientists themselves called it gender identity disorder as recently as like 10 years ago.
 
I long for the day when religious belief will be considered a disorder, and I believe that day will come, but I don't think I'll live to see it...
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I completely agree that the gospels is an area that is highly up for debate, and I would look silly if I sat here and tried to speak about them like they were clearly correct and anyone who disagreed was a buffoon.

But that's exactly what people here do when someone suggests that being transgender is a mental disorder, despite the fact that scientists themselves called it gender identity disorder as recently as like 10 years ago.
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In 1980, with the publication of DSM-III, “transsexualism” was first mentioned in a DSM. Prior to DSM-III, “transsexualism” wasn’t mentioned.

In 1994, with the publication of DSM-IV, scientists thought “transsexualism” potentially stigmatized people and they switched to “gender identity disorder.”

In 2013, with the publication of DSM-5, “Gender Identity Disorder” was changed to “Gender Dysphoria” because the mental health issue wasn’t gender identity.

As the scientists have learned more, they’ve sought and debated over names and terms that better define things/situations. More importantly, they’ve sought and learned better ways to help trans people.

Being a “tough” parent will not help a trans child.
 
The DSM used to classify homosexuality as a disorder. I wonder if HY still believe in that science. Actually, I don't wonder...
 
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