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As I mentioned earlier, it's not necessarily the trans women I'm worried about. The numbers are too low to really matter.If there were an increase in assault it would be when a trans wanted to go in the men's room and I suspect they would be the one assaulted.
Apparently, you never been quiet and innocuous enough to hear women talk. They are not the prudish sex in private.
So let's flip that around. You're touring the Capitol and need to use the restroom, so you enter the men's room and see Sarah McBride coming out of a stall.As I mentioned earlier, it's not necessarily the trans women I'm worried about. The numbers are too low to really matter.
My concern is opening the door to all males, trans or not, being permitted in women's showers, locker rooms and bathrooms, because I don't see how you can legally allow "only males who believe they are females".
How about those under the treatment protocol for transitioning? Don't know much about it but my son had a friend who went through that some 30 years ago. I didn't know him well and really didn't care but I overheard enough to get that he had to live either a year or two years as a woman before any of the surgery and stuff would be considered. I don't know if that is true today but being under medical and/or psychological evaluation would move it well past a whim. I'd assume any sort of violation of the terms of treatment would affect the ability to proceed.As I mentioned earlier, it's not necessarily the trans women I'm worried about. The numbers are too low to really matter.
My concern is opening the door to all males, trans or not, being permitted in women's showers, locker rooms and bathrooms, because I don't see how you can legally allow "only males who believe they are females".
As I mentioned earlier, it's not necessarily the trans women I'm worried about. The numbers are too low to really matter.
My concern is opening the door to all males, trans or not, being permitted in women's showers, locker rooms and bathrooms, because I don't see how you can legally allow "only males who believe they are females".
It sounds like most people are not concerned that trans women will be the ones causing problems in restrooms. It sounds like people are concerned about cis men either pretending to be trans women or just using some legal opening to waltz into women's restrooms.As I mentioned earlier, it's not necessarily the trans women I'm worried about. The numbers are too low to really matter.
My concern is opening the door to all males, trans or not, being permitted in women's showers, locker rooms and bathrooms, because I don't see how you can legally allow "only males who believe they are females".
These people have no understanding of logical fallacies, much less the introspection needed to acknowledge their use.
So, again, I'm not nearly as concerned about trans women specifically. The numbers are very small so there's little risk for negative impact to cis women. It's more opening the door to all males in women's restrooms, locker rooms and showers. I think many women will want, and should have, the ability to change and shower in privacy and safety.So let's flip that around. You're touring the Capitol and need to use the restroom, so you enter the men's room and see Sarah McBride coming out of a stall.
That's apparently where House leadership wants her to be. How do you think that makes her feel? How does it make you feel while you're standing at the urinal doing your business and she's washing her hands right behind you?
I understand the complexities of these situations. What I don't understand is how it could possibly make more sense to require Sarah to use the men's room, where there's not full privacy, as opposed to the women's room, where there is.
That door is already open to all males. Generally speaking, there are no laws prohibiting people from using the other bathroom. It's a matter for the establishments to police (one reason that bars and restaurants often have single-occupancy unisex bathrooms).As I mentioned earlier, it's not necessarily the trans women I'm worried about. The numbers are too low to really matter.
My concern is opening the door to all males, trans or not, being permitted in women's showers, locker rooms and bathrooms, because I don't see how you can legally allow "only males who believe they are females".
There is full privacy in men's room.So let's flip that around. You're touring the Capitol and need to use the restroom, so you enter the men's room and see Sarah McBride coming out of a stall.
That's apparently where House leadership wants her to be. How do you think that makes her feel? How does it make you feel while you're standing at the urinal doing your business and she's washing her hands right behind you?
I understand the complexities of these situations. What I don't understand is how it could possibly make more sense to require Sarah to use the men's room, where there's not full privacy, as opposed to the women's room, where there is.
I mean, sure, if you're one of those people who always uses a stall to pee.There is full privacy in men's room.
I'm thinking somebody's going to get a visit from the FBI..
The answer here for me is that if she uses the women’s restroom, she’s putting other biological women in an awkward spot where they’re in the bathroom with a biological man.So let's flip that around. You're touring the Capitol and need to use the restroom, so you enter the men's room and see Sarah McBride coming out of a stall.
That's apparently where House leadership wants her to be. How do you think that makes her feel? How does it make you feel while you're standing at the urinal doing your business and she's washing her hands right behind you?
I understand the complexities of these situations. What I don't understand is how it could possibly make more sense to require Sarah to use the men's room, where there's not full privacy, as opposed to the women's room, where there is.
The answer here for me is that if she uses the women’s restroom, she’s putting other biological women in an awkward spot where they’re in the bathroom with a biological man.
If she uses the men’s restroom, it’s likely more awkward for her as the transgender person but it’s not like she’s never been in men’s restrooms. I can see how that would be awkward for her now that she believes she’s a woman, but that awkwardness is at least resting with the person who made the decision to change their gender and not with unsuspecting others who are forced to play along.
So for me it comes down to, someone is going to be uncomfortable either way, and it comes down to whether you’d rather make random females play along with her gender identity or if you’d rather make her play along with her birth sex.
Anyone posting on this thread with zero understanding of gender dysphoria (which would include anyone who thinks gender assigned at birth is definitive or "anyone with a penis is a man") needs to read a bit about the topic. It isn't as simple as your need for political expediency would have you believe.
This very brief overview from the Cleveland Clinic is a starting point.
Leaving aside the inaccurate characterizations of gender dysphoria in your post, what about Sarah McBride’s appearance would cause a woman who encounters her in the restroom to think she’s a biological man?The answer here for me is that if she uses the women’s restroom, she’s putting other biological women in an awkward spot where they’re in the bathroom with a biological man.
If she uses the men’s restroom, it’s likely more awkward for her as the transgender person but it’s not like she’s never been in men’s restrooms. I can see how that would be awkward for her now that she believes she’s a woman, but that awkwardness is at least resting with the person who made the decision to change their gender and not with unsuspecting others who are forced to play along.
So for me it comes down to, someone is going to be uncomfortable either way, and it comes down to whether you’d rather make random females play along with her gender identity or if you’d rather make her play along with her birth sex.