GOP slouches into the Crazy -IMMIGRATION | Trump Firehose of anti-immigrant posts and rhetoric

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lightbluenc said:
God all those people there chanting send them back are horrible humans
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As someone who has long been interested in politics and history and was a Poli Sci major in college, I can remember when I was younger contemplating how Germans in the 1930s allowed Hitler and the Nazis to rise to power.

It has been instructional, albeit painful, to see folks advocate for fascism here in our own country and to perform actions like those seen at Trump rallies.
 
SnoopRob said:
As someone who has long been interested in politics and history and was a Poli Sci major in college, I can remember when I was younger contemplating how Germans in the 1930s allowed Hitler and the Nazis to rise to power.

It has been instructional, albeit painful, to see folks advocate for fascism here in our own country and to perform actions like those seen at Trump rallies.
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I was browsing in an upscale clothing store that used hardback books as a big part of the decor. The books were all turned with their back away from the customers, so I grabbed one to see what the book was (as I am wont to do). It was:

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I got curious and looked it up on amazon. From a review:

Sinclair Lewis famously wrote in the depths of the depression, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Lewis's 1935 novel, "It Can't happen Here," postulated the rise of a fascist government that merged the interests of big business and big government to take away the hard fought rights ensconced in the U.S. Constitution. For Joe Conason, the eight years of the presidency of George W. Bush came as close as any time in U.S. history in which fascism reigned. "Manipulating our fears, stirring religious divisions, and contriving to create a state of permanent war," he writes, "they have sought to institute a rule of men instead of a rule of law--and they have reinvented the president as a sovereign monarch rather than an executive with limited powers. With the backing of corporate wealth and fundamentalist religion, the unitary presidency represents a potential tyranny" (p. 202).

In only five chapters Conason takes the reader through a litany of abuses of authority during the first decade of the twenty-first century. At its core was a belief in a "unitary executive," asserting that in time of war the president had all authority to preserve the safety of the United States and its citizens. This provided the legal cover for an assertion of presidential power as never before in more than two hundred years under the Constitution. The fact that the other two branches of government--the legislative and the judicial--largely agreed to this corralling of authority, and in some instances even facilitated it, is disturbing to Conason and he makes the case for a vigilant response.

Feels like this guy was on top of things back in 2007. I may have to find a copy.
 
Ddseddse said:
I was browsing in an upscale clothing store that used hardback books as a big part of the decor. The books were all turned with their back away from the customers, so I grabbed one to see what the book was (as I am wont to do). It was:

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I got curious and looked it up on amazon. From a review:

Sinclair Lewis famously wrote in the depths of the depression, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Lewis's 1935 novel, "It Can't happen Here," postulated the rise of a fascist government that merged the interests of big business and big government to take away the hard fought rights ensconced in the U.S. Constitution. For Joe Conason, the eight years of the presidency of George W. Bush came as close as any time in U.S. history in which fascism reigned. "Manipulating our fears, stirring religious divisions, and contriving to create a state of permanent war," he writes, "they have sought to institute a rule of men instead of a rule of law--and they have reinvented the president as a sovereign monarch rather than an executive with limited powers. With the backing of corporate wealth and fundamentalist religion, the unitary presidency represents a potential tyranny" (p. 202).

In only five chapters Conason takes the reader through a litany of abuses of authority during the first decade of the twenty-first century. At its core was a belief in a "unitary executive," asserting that in time of war the president had all authority to preserve the safety of the United States and its citizens. This provided the legal cover for an assertion of presidential power as never before in more than two hundred years under the Constitution. The fact that the other two branches of government--the legislative and the judicial--largely agreed to this corralling of authority, and in some instances even facilitated it, is disturbing to Conason and he makes the case for a vigilant response.

Feels like this guy was on top of things back in 2007. I may have to find a copy.
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It looks like you can grab a used copy on Amazon for under $10. I might have to add one to my next order.

ETA: He also released a book in July called The Longest Con: How Grifters, Swindlers, and Frauds Hijacked American Conservatism that describes the Republican Party's descent into MAGA.
 

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The Chandra Law Firm says the nonprofit used a state statute allowing private citizens to "file an affidavit charging the offense committed."

The following charges were filed:

  • Disrupting public service — by causing widespread bomb and other threats that resulted in massive disruptions to the public services in Springfield, Ohio;
  • Making false alarms — by knowingly causing alarm in the Springfield community by continuing to repeat lies that state and local officials have said were false;
  • Committing telecommunications harassment — by spreading claims they know to be false during the presidential debate, campaign rallies, nationally televised interviews, and social media;
  • Committing aggravated menacing in violation — by knowingly making intimidating statements with the intent to abuse, threaten, or harass the recipients, including Trump’s threat to deport immigrants who are here legally to Venezuela, a land they have never known;
  • Committing aggravated menacing — by knowingly causing others to falsely believe that members of Springfield's Haitian community would cause serious physical harm to the person or property of others in Springfield; and
  • Violating the prohibition against complicity — by conspiring with one another and spreading vicious lies that caused innocent parties to be parties to their various crimes.
The charges were filed in Clark County Municipal Court. …”

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Apparently at minimum the Court will be required to hold a hearing to decide how to handle the charges.
 
nycfan said:

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The Chandra Law Firm says the nonprofit used a state statute allowing private citizens to "file an affidavit charging the offense committed."

The following charges were filed:

  • Disrupting public service — by causing widespread bomb and other threats that resulted in massive disruptions to the public services in Springfield, Ohio;
  • Making false alarms — by knowingly causing alarm in the Springfield community by continuing to repeat lies that state and local officials have said were false;
  • Committing telecommunications harassment — by spreading claims they know to be false during the presidential debate, campaign rallies, nationally televised interviews, and social media;
  • Committing aggravated menacing in violation — by knowingly making intimidating statements with the intent to abuse, threaten, or harass the recipients, including Trump’s threat to deport immigrants who are here legally to Venezuela, a land they have never known;
  • Committing aggravated menacing — by knowingly causing others to falsely believe that members of Springfield's Haitian community would cause serious physical harm to the person or property of others in Springfield; and
  • Violating the prohibition against complicity — by conspiring with one another and spreading vicious lies that caused innocent parties to be parties to their various crimes.
The charges were filed in Clark County Municipal Court. …”

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Apparently at minimum the Court will be required to hold a hearing to decide how to handle the charges.
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While I understand the thought process here, I don't think these charges have any real chance of success and will likely do more harm than good.
 
SnoopRob said:
While I understand the thought process here, I don't think these charges have any real chance of success and will likely do more harm than good.
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Depends how quickly they are dispensed with and forgotten, I guess. But, yeah, sadly more fodder for Trump/Vance slander.
 


Weapons the military hasn’t even heard of?

OTOH, maybe an influx of Venezuelans would help the Rockies?
 
First they came for the Haitians, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Haitian.

Then they came for the Jamaicans, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jamaican.

www.rawstory.com

'God help us': Springfield Jamaicans mistaken for Haitians by 'aggressive' white woman

Hate against Haitians sparked by Republican running mates Donald Trump and J.D. Vance spilled over to the Jamaican community in Springfield, Ohio, this week.In a post on Facebook, the Jamaican Patty Co. said an employee was confronted by an angry white woman who thought she was addressing...
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This hatred towards the Haitians reminds me of a little bit of history I’m sure none of these people are aware of. If it was not for the successful Haitian revolt against French rule, we never would have gotten the Louisiana Purchase when we did. Napoleon knew he needed a base in the Caribbean to protect the approach to New Orleans. Without Haiti there were no other options and the French position in New Orleans became untenable. This made selling the territory the best option for him. So, we owe that little country in the Caribbean a great debt of gratitude.
 
nycfan said:
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Watching Master Chef, one of the finalists was Haitian, she didn't once try to cook anyone's pet.

In the link I posted above, they interviewed a couple of people from Springfield. One of them said "The people complaining about the Haitians don't live in Springfield, they come here to complain." (Maybe not exact quote, it's from memory)
 
nycfan said:
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As I thought when all this started in Springfield, it's now painfully obvious that Trump's campaign staff has decided that their best (and maybe only) chance to win the election is to whip up a massive nativist fright among whites (and maybe some native-born minority voters) over darker-skinned immigrants "invading" and "overwhelming" and simply "taking over" small towns and cities all over the USA. They are likely hoping that such a strategy will drive up rural, exurban, and small city (like Springfield) voting to record levels and maybe allow them to eke out a victory in key swing states. The "economy is awful" issue probably isn't working as much as they would like, given that the economy is now booming, the stock market is at record highs, and inflation is finally under control. And with Biden gone their planned attacks on his age and senility are out the window.

So let's return to playing up the xenophobia and fear of the "other" and roll with that. By the time Trump and Vance are done every American state will be under siege and on the verge of being completely destroyed by immigrants from the Caribbean and Latin America. Of course it's a disgrace and flat-out racist, and of course they simply don't care. And if some immigrants end up getting hurt or even killed with this paranoia they're whipping up, who cares? They certainly won't.
 
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