Holding Trump accountable for his promises

lawtig02 said:
The problem with all the people, including several posters here, who think Trump is a bad person but voted for him because they don't think he'll actually do what he kept promising to do is that a narcissist like Trump views this electoral win as a mandate to do exactly what he promised to do.
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Trump makes two different types of promises. The first group are things that are obviously impossible and meant only to get votes. Things like making Mexico pay for the wall, unrealistic promises of jobs, promises to end a war in a day. etc. He knows he is lying but doesn't care. It doesn't hurt his ego one bit to backtrack on those promises. The second group are the reprehensible things that he really wants to do. Some of those might not be feasible (the wall) but he will try and often accomplish those goals.

Don't underestimate the man or those around him. They're mostly fools but even a fool can accomplish a lot of bad things if given the power to do so.
 
superrific said:
I know how Taylor Swift got rich. How would I even go about arguing or implying or contending in any way that Taylor Swift was rich and for that reason became popular.

The point is, though, that Americans do not dislike billionaires. Being a billionaire is not the way to win a popularity contest, but it's not nearly as harmful as some folks on the left want to think. I'd like to think that. I'm not sure I agree that every billionaire is a policy failure, but the mega billionaires -- yeah, that's a policy failure. But that's just not how Americans see it.

We just watched a hedge fund billionaire win a Senate election in Pennsylvania. The probable Senate majority leader is a billionaire who made his money defrauding the United States. Trump brags about being a billionaire, and he barnstormed around the country with the biggest billionaire of them all.

Class politics in America doesn't work the way that leftists think it should.
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You stated that Americans like billionaires, then listed several folks to support your claim. Those who I pointed out were already liked by a lot of people prior to being billionaires (and also disliked by many now). So, I don’t think it supports your claim in the way you want it to. That is all I was pointing out.
 
stankeylegjones said:
You stated that Americans like billionaires, then listed several folks to support your claim. Those who I pointed out were already liked by a lot of people prior to being billionaires (and also disliked by many now). So, I don’t think it supports your claim in the way you want it to. That is all I was pointing out.
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I didn't mean they like billionaires more than they do non-billionaires. I just meant that they don't hate billionaires. Running against billionaires the way FDR ran against Wall St. does not appear to be a successful play. Billionaires can be popular or unpopular.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Our strategy didn't fail. Inflation, which was almost entirely out of our control, did us in. It is hard to message to normal people that inflation is back down when they are still seeing high prices.

People overreact to every lost election.
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This. If Americans are discontented at the next election Republicans will lose. If things are going well, they won’t. The average voter doesn’t give a shit about pretty much anything policy-wise other than can they afford the life they think they deserve. If yes, incumbents win; if no, challengers win.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Yes, but he just claimed that the majority that voted are likely to be US citizens.
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True enough. The point I thought he was making was that the Trump Hispanic voters were more likely to be third generation or more white than more recent arrivals.

I'm not going to take that claim in the Politico article at face value, but if he's even 10% right, it shows that people who Trump specifically said he would fuck over were thinking he was the right guy for the presidency.
 
superrific said:
I hope the GOP holds the House, as I think they will. We need to keep our Senate seats because they don't turn over, but the House is temporary. Let them put Trump's policies into place. It will likely lead to an electoral bloodbath in 26 unlike anything we've seen in a long while.

If the tariffs do what I fear they will, we could be looking at a complete collapse of the GOP. I don't know if there are enough Senate seats up for vote for Dems to get to 67, which is what we need, but if those working classes are really interested in the economy as they say they are, we should win plenty of Senate seats we never thought we could win.

Expect Tillis to announce he won't run for re-election around this time next year.
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Which Democrat will have Thom Tillis so quaking in his boots that he doesn’t run for re-election?

He’s likely chair of a powerful committee.
 
farce© said:
In two years people will be ready to build a guardrail against Trump’s excesses, so Dems will be in a different position. Republicans running for Senate in 2026 will have to defend Trump.
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Looking at the Class II Senate seats is kinda scary.

The GOP does have a lot of seats up in 2026…..20 seats to 13 Democratic ones.

The Republican seats:
  • Alabama
  • Alaska
  • Arkansas
  • Idaho
  • Iowa
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • Louisiana
  • Maine
  • Mississippi
  • Montana
  • Nebraska
  • North Carolina
  • Oklahoma
  • South Carolina
  • South Dakota
  • Tennessee
  • Texas
  • West Virginia
  • Wyoming
That’s not a good list of states for a Democratic pick-up.

Maine, North Carolina, and Texas?!
 
Zoo_View said:
Looking at the Class II Senate seats is kinda scary.

The GOP does have a lot of seats up in 2026…..20 seats to 13 Democratic ones.

The Republican seats:
  • Alabama
  • Alaska
  • Arkansas
  • Idaho
  • Iowa
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • Louisiana
  • Maine
  • Mississippi
  • Montana
  • Nebraska
  • North Carolina
  • Oklahoma
  • South Carolina
  • South Dakota
  • Tennessee
  • Texas
  • West Virginia
  • Wyoming
That’s not a good list of states for a Democratic pick-up.

Maine, North Carolina, and Texas?!
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I wonder if Brashears (sp?) would run in Kentuck?
 
Zoo_View said:
Looking at the Class II Senate seats is kinda scary.

The GOP does have a lot of seats up in 2026…..20 seats to 13 Democratic ones.

The Republican seats:
  • Alabama
  • Alaska
  • Arkansas
  • Idaho
  • Iowa
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • Louisiana
  • Maine
  • Mississippi
  • Montana
  • Nebraska
  • North Carolina
  • Oklahoma
  • South Carolina
  • South Dakota
  • Tennessee
  • Texas
  • West Virginia
  • Wyoming
That’s not a good list of states for a Democratic pick-up.

Maine, North Carolina, and Texas?!
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Not sure I want the country to be in bad enough shape to turn much of that list.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Oh,he will end the war in Ukraine. Zelensky would have to bargain at some point as they can't hold out forever. Putin has no problem sending more young to die, especially N. Koreans.

But after Trump first tells Putin, and then Zelensky that we are ending all support, Ukraine will have no bargaining power. Trump will give half or more of Ukraine to his pal and backer Putin, with a signed treaty to never join NATO.

No idea what Trump's plan is for Gaza and Hamas, Iran, Lebanon.
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Whatever Bibi and America’s Christi-Fascists tell him it is…..Bibi wants to hold power and America’s Christi-Fascists want to bring on the Book of Revelation.
 
Calheel said:
Inflation is not getting to 10%. The fed will jack interest rates and crash the economy before that happens.
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The fed has no control over that. The Fed only controls the money supply. Trump's inflation will not be monetary in nature. It's real. If he puts 15% tariffs on everything, then prices of those products will rise by 15% and the prices of competitive products will likely rise by almost that. The Fed can jack interest rates to 20% and it won't mean anything.

And if the deportations and tariffs create large supply shocks -- as I anticipate they will -- then again, there's nothing the Fed can do about that. Shortages lead to higher prices, and it doesn't matter if interest rates are 2% or 20%.

Anyway, if the Fed does tank the economy to somehow head off inflation, that would also tend to produce a blue wave (if we assume that people actually voted on the economy, of which I am skeptical). If unemployment goes from 3% to 10%, I'd say that would be a really tough environment for someone like Tillis.

I wonder if our old friend TylerKong the stagflation hawk will be back when stagflation sets in for real. Somehow I doubt it.
 
superrific said:
True enough. The point I thought he was making was that the Trump Hispanic voters were more likely to be third generation or more white than more recent arrivals.

I'm not going to take that claim in the Politico article at face value, but if he's even 10% right, it shows that people who Trump specifically said he would fuck over were thinking he was the right guy for the presidency.
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I understand. I wasn’t addressing his claims, just being snarky as indicated by the snippets I bolded.
 
superrific said:
The fed has no control over that. The Fed only controls the money supply. Trump's inflation will not be monetary in nature. It's real. If he puts 15% tariffs on everything, then prices of those products will rise by 15% and the prices of competitive products will likely rise by almost that. The Fed can jack interest rates to 20% and it won't mean anything.

And if the deportations and tariffs create large supply shocks -- as I anticipate they will -- then again, there's nothing the Fed can do about that. Shortages lead to higher prices, and it doesn't matter if interest rates are 2% or 20%.

Anyway, if the Fed does tank the economy to somehow head off inflation, that would also tend to produce a blue wave (if we assume that people actually voted on the economy, of which I am skeptical). If unemployment goes from 3% to 10%, I'd say that would be a really tough environment for someone like Tillis.

I wonder if our old friend TylerKong the stagflation hawk will be back when stagflation sets in for real. Somehow I doubt it.
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Yes, I could see a blue wave from a recession. But I don't buy 10% inflation (at least not for any prolonged period of time).

And I'm a little dubious of your prediction skills after this most recent election. Your prognostication skills are about as good as Mack Brown's coaching skills as a double digit favorite.
 
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